Off topic thread (to the tower)

[Thomas]

That's why you live in a different world to the man in the street. As you say, the benefit cap is £1664 per month per person outside London, whereas a person working full time on minimum wage earns £1334. A hand up, not a hand out. I rest my case

You tell me you have spent a lifetime in retail , but you cant do simple maths  , add up and make a realistic comparison? ::



What were you a peckham del boy market trader?



Heres what i said for the hard of understanding like yourself wiggy.

The current benefit cap in your country is £442 per week in london or £384 if you live outside london. We have already established the average uk wage is around £585 per week , meaning the top rate of benefits is well under the average uk wage .

So the benefit cap outside london according to the governments own figures is £384 per week.



384 times 52 (weeks ) gives an annual figure of £19968.



Divide that by 12 (months) to give a monthly figure of £1664.



Average uk wage is £585 per week , or an annual figure of (585 times 52 ) £30420.



Divide that by (12 months) to give a monthly figure of £2535.



You are comparing the very top rate of benefits to the minimum wage , whereas im comparing the top rate of benefits to the average wage.



The number of uk employees on low pay fell to just 16% of the workforce.



The number of people in your country on out of work benefits( excluding elderly) make up just 1%  , most of whom arent on the top rate of benefits we quoted.



So yet again , to try and jutify your hysterical drama queen position , you take the worst case comparison of a tiny tiny tiny  fraction and blow it out of proportion on the outrage bus. :roll:





https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/lowandhighpayuk/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... payuk/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/lowandhighpayuk/2019



https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/people-claiming-jobseekers-allowance/latest">https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/people-claiming-jobseekers-allowance/latest



https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/outofworkbenefits">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... rkbenefits">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/outofworkbenefits





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Next you will be trying to sell me 8 legs of venison for £40 and asking me if i think thats two deer?

[Wiggles]

im not excited in the least wiggles. Im simply honestly and politely telling you to your virtual face you are talking shite in my humble opinion.



Further , despite all these imaginary fantasy stories of benefit thieves and pisstakers everywhere , you so far have offered nothing in defence of your position except anecdotal evidence of auld agnes and harry next door apparently stealing millions off the taxpayer while holidaying in barbados and driving around in their ferrari all paid for by C.A. ::



As i said , an absolute drama queen .







You havent proved so far (apart from offering us another story off the outrage bus) that the government spends much if any taxpayers money at all on the lazy or the feckless .



I have also established in my previous reply to you how much the government spends on DLA and motobility , and its mere sweetie money.



So what are you gibbering about wiggy?







who presumes you are right?



I certainly dont.



Generally on interwebby forums alf , the done thing is to make a claim then back it up as i have done. You on the other hand are getting all excitable and foaming at the mouth over unsubstantiated claims that you cant back up.







Prove what you are saying then?



The governments own figures i linked show you are talking out your backside . ::  :roll:











Where?



1. Is there a correlation between the two?



You seem to think there is ( again ) without any evidence , yet studies show.....









https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/">https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/r ... migration/">https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/









The current benefit cap in your country is £442 per week in london or £384 if you live outside london. We have already established the average uk wage is around £585 per week , meaning the top rate of benefits is well under the average uk wage .



So your insinuation the uk benefit system gives a better quality of life than if in work doesnt add up in money terms.



We have also established we have high employment , and many of those you sneer at claiming benefits , ( tiny fraction of the population) are actually in low paid work , getting crap wages "topped up".So how can these people be lazy and feckless when they have to work to claim many of the benefits they are on in the first place?



You dont really address any of my replies to you wiggy , because they simply smash to pieces all the old tropes you trot out in that fantasy world of yours regarding society out there robbing the taxpayers blind.



Excluding pensioners who make up two thirds of the benefits bill from the DWP , a tiny fraction of people are claiming benefits and the DWP own figures for the last tax years said a mere 4.3% of benefits paid were benefit fraud/error , meaning the vast majority 95.7% is paid correctly to those entitled to it. :roll:  :hattip







https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2018-to-2019-estimates">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -estimates">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2018-to-2019-estimates



Stop being an hysteric wiggy.  Its all in your head .

That's why you live in a different world to the man in the street. As you say, the benefit cap is £1664 per month per person outside London, whereas a person working full time on minimum wage earns £1334. A hand up, not a hand out. I rest my case

[Barry]

I can't wait to see the mountain rescue teams up Fleetwith Pike next time we are there, helping people down with their wheelchairs and mobility scooters. It's a dangerous place at the best of times, the last thing we want is pinball wizard types running about on the tops of Great Gable.  :shock:

[Thomas]

This is quality.



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Wiggy is going to blow a feckin gasket when  he reads this.

[Thomas]

Blimey Thomas, you do get excited.

im not excited in the least wiggles. Im simply honestly and politely telling you to your virtual face you are talking shite in my humble opinion.



Further , despite all these imaginary fantasy stories of benefit thieves and pisstakers everywhere , you so far have offered nothing in defence of your position except anecdotal evidence of auld agnes and harry next door apparently stealing millions off the taxpayer while holidaying in barbados and driving around in their ferrari all paid for by C.A. ::



As i said , an absolute drama queen .

You appear to be keen on the government spending even more of the tax payers money on the lazy, the feckless, and the disabled, and of course that's your choice

You havent proved so far (apart from offering us another story off the outrage bus) that the government spends much if any taxpayers money at all on the lazy or the feckless .



I have also established in my previous reply to you how much the government spends on DLA and motobility , and its mere sweetie money.



So what are you gibbering about wiggy?

Presuming I am right,

who presumes you are right?



I certainly dont.



Generally on interwebby forums alf , the done thing is to make a claim then back it up as i have done. You on the other hand are getting all excitable and foaming at the mouth over unsubstantiated claims that you cant back up.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you are not lying, but would be grateful if you would give me the same decency. My examples are true, and I take umbrage that you should accuse me of lying.

Prove what you are saying then?



The governments own figures i linked show you are talking out your backside . ::  :roll:

1) Areas of high unemployment that have a high level of EU immigration. I live near one

Where?



1. Is there a correlation between the two?



You seem to think there is ( again ) without any evidence , yet studies show.....

Research shows a small impact of overall immigration on the employment and unemployment rates of UK-born workers

A number of studies have examined whether immigration leads to higher unemployment or inactivity among existing workers, and most have found either small effects or no effect.



Reviewing the results of 12 studies conducted between 2003 and 2018, the MAC (2018) drew three conclusions. First, that immigration has little or no impact on average employment or unemployment of existing workers. Second, that where an impact is found it tends to be concentrated among certain groups – i.e. a negative effect for those with lower education and a positive effect for those with higher levels of education. And third, that the impact may depend on the economic cycle; some—though not all—studies have found adverse effects on employment or unemployment specifically during downturns.

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https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/">https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/r ... migration/">https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

2) A benefit system that gives a claimant a better quality of life than if they worked.

The current benefit cap in your country is £442 per week in london or £384 if you live outside london. We have already established the average uk wage is around £585 per week , meaning the top rate of benefits is well under the average uk wage .



So your insinuation the uk benefit system gives a better quality of life than if in work doesnt add up in money terms.



We have also established we have high employment , and many of those you sneer at claiming benefits , ( tiny fraction of the population) are actually in low paid work , getting crap wages "topped up".So how can these people be lazy and feckless when they have to work to claim many of the benefits they are on in the first place?



You dont really address any of my replies to you wiggy , because they simply smash to pieces all the old tropes you trot out in that fantasy world of yours regarding society out there robbing the taxpayers blind.



Excluding pensioners who make up two thirds of the benefits bill from the DWP , a tiny fraction of people are claiming benefits and the DWP own figures for the last tax years said a mere 4.3% of benefits paid were benefit fraud/error , meaning the vast majority 95.7% is paid correctly to those entitled to it. :roll:  :hattip

For 2018-19 the government's benefit fraud figure was £2.3bn (4.3%) for benefits administered by the Department of Work and Pensions

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https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2018-to-2019-estimates">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -estimates">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2018-to-2019-estimates



Stop being an hysteric wiggy.  Its all in your head .

[cromwell]

I was taking the piss wiggy , and comparing the shite you write on this forum to the guff written by brain dead huns.







No what i think is the problem on this thread among many you frequent on this forum wiggy , is the fact you view everyone on here as left wing liberals.



You and smurf are at the opposite end of the political spectrum to each other , while i would say the rest of us are somewhere around the middle on most issues.



I dont think you are thick. On most issues , you do talk shite , but thats a different issue to being thick.









 :: So you are trying to take advantage of the conservatives success in the last general election as some vindication for your own far right wing views , as though your views are mainstream and the norm? :roll:



Listen wigg , im not a supporter of the tories and never have been , and i have already said many a time i think england is a small c conservative country.



Even i though , in my wildest imagination wouldnt ever suggest the vast majority of english people share your poisonous far right views , nor the conservative party.







No he isnt. Neither you  with your" euthanising views for the old" , nor smurf with his" lets shoot a tory "views are examples of the mainstream ordinary people of these islands.







The average wage in the uk is around £585 per week , or roughly £14 per hour for 40 hour week. 63% of the uk rents  , while at least half or more take a holiday abroad rather than holidaying in the uk. So rather a vague generalisation by you yet again .



https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... nings/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019



https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Holiday%20Habits%20Report%202018%20011018.pdf">https://www.abta.com/sites/default/file ... 011018.pdf">https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Holiday%20Habits%20Report%202018%20011018.pdf







Well in my experience when someone  tells me "i am giving you a 100% true scenario " and provides anecdotal evidence , you just know they are talking shite.



You provide some imaginary anecdotal evidence as though this is somehow the norm outside your fantasy world.



1. The majority of the uk population isnt claiming benefits.



2.A tiny tiny fraction are claiming carers , dla or pip allowances.(1.3 million on CA , 1.8 million on dla.)



3. two thirds of those claiming DWP benefits are of pensionable age who are merely claiming back money they have paid into the system all their working life.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf



4. A tiny fraction of the uk are on the motability scheme , around 650 000 people.



So to sum up , the majority of the uk on dwp benefits are pensioners who have more than paid into the sytem ,  not pisstakers living the life of luxury on benefits as you make out.



A tiny fraction outwith the norm are on motability , so the trope that people who arent contributing anything to society are living the life of riley on benefits and this is somehow the norm is just total utter cac .



You are a green eyed fantasist mate , and you need to put down the latest copy of the express , get off the outrage bus and make yourself a cuppa tea.

 :thup:  :thup:  :hattip

[Wiggles]

I was taking the piss wiggy , and comparing the shite you write on this forum to the guff written by brain dead huns.







No what i think is the problem on this thread among many you frequent on this forum wiggy , is the fact you view everyone on here as left wing liberals.



You and smurf are at the opposite end of the political spectrum to each other , while i would say the rest of us are somewhere around the middle on most issues.



I dont think you are thick. On most issues , you do talk shite , but thats a different issue to being thick.









 :: So you are trying to take advantage of the conservatives success in the last general election as some vindication for your own far right wing views , as though your views are mainstream and the norm? :roll:



Listen wigg , im not a supporter of the tories and never have been , and i have already said many a time i think england is a small c conservative country.



Even i though , in my wildest imagination wouldnt ever suggest the vast majority of english people share your poisonous far right views , nor the conservative party.







No he isnt. Neither you  with your" euthanising views for the old" , nor smurf with his" lets shoot a tory "views are examples of the mainstream ordinary people of these islands.







The average wage in the uk is around £585 per week , or roughly £14 per hour for 40 hour week. 63% of the uk rents  , while at least half or more take a holiday abroad rather than holidaying in the uk. So rather a vague generalisation by you yet again .



https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... nings/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019



https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Holiday%20Habits%20Report%202018%20011018.pdf">https://www.abta.com/sites/default/file ... 011018.pdf">https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Holiday%20Habits%20Report%202018%20011018.pdf







Well in my experience when someone  tells me "i am giving you a 100% true scenario " and provides anecdotal evidence , you just know they are talking shite.



You provide some imaginary anecdotal evidence as though this is somehow the norm outside your fantasy world.



1. The majority of the uk population isnt claiming benefits.



2.A tiny tiny fraction are claiming carers , dla or pip allowances.(1.3 million on CA , 1.8 million on dla.)



3. two thirds of those claiming DWP benefits are of pensionable age who are merely claiming back money they have paid into the system all their working life.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf



4. A tiny fraction of the uk are on the motability scheme , around 650 000 people.



So to sum up , the majority of the uk on dwp benefits are pensioners who have more than paid into the sytem ,  not pisstakers living the life of luxury on benefits as you make out.



A tiny fraction outwith the norm are on motability , so the trope that people who arent contributing anything to society are living the life of riley on benefits and this is somehow the norm is just total utter cac .



You are a green eyed fantasist mate , and you need to put down the latest copy of the express , get off the outrage bus and make yourself a cuppa tea.

Blimey Thomas, you do get excited. You appear to be keen on the government spending even more of the tax payers money on the lazy, the feckless, and the disabled, and of course that's your choice. Perhaps all the people you know who claim benefits are deserving, and probably in your opinion should get even more money. Presuming I am right, we have come across very different people. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you are not lying, but would be grateful if you would give me the same decency. My examples are true, and I take umbrage that you should accuse me of lying.



For what it is worth I believe that the disabled and unemployed should be cared for by society, and that's what a good society does. However, to coin a phrase, I also believe in  hand up, and not a hand out. Where there is work to be done, there should be work undertaken, and whilst the options a disabled person may be able to take are limited, in the majority of the country there is something. Of course, employers should be encouraged to employ disabled people, and councils should lead the way. I have two major annoyances.



1) Areas of high unemployment that have a high level of EU immigration. I live near one

2) A benefit system that gives a claimant a better quality of life than if they worked.



You may well disagree with both of these points, and I suspect you actually believe neither are true, and that's the fundamental difference between us

[Thomas]

Spurs season ticket holder actually, not as if that has anything to do with it.

I was taking the piss wiggy , and comparing the shite you write on this forum to the guff written by brain dead huns.

People with left wing liberal views always tend to believe that people with right wing views are thick.

No what i think is the problem on this thread among many you frequent on this forum wiggy , is the fact you view everyone on here as left wing liberals.



You and smurf are at the opposite end of the political spectrum to each other , while i would say the rest of us are somewhere around the middle on most issues.



I dont think you are thick. On most issues , you do talk shite , but thats a different issue to being thick.

If you are right, it has recently been proven that the majority of the country are thick (general election), which in it's self appears strange, especially considering our nations success !!

 :: So you are trying to take advantage of the conservatives success in the last general election as some vindication for your own far right wing views , as though your views are mainstream and the norm? :roll:



Listen wigg , im not a supporter of the tories and never have been , and i have already said many a time i think england is a small c conservative country.



Even i though , in my wildest imagination wouldnt ever suggest the vast majority of english people share your poisonous far right views , nor the conservative party.

I was trying to prove a point to papasmurf, but unfortunately he either struggles to understand what I am saying, or chooses to ignore it. Here is a typical example of what is happening in this country.

No he isnt. Neither you  with your" euthanising views for the old" , nor smurf with his" lets shoot a tory "views are examples of the mainstream ordinary people of these islands.

Mr & Mrs Smith with their 2.1 children both work. Mr Smith works 40 hours a week, and Mrs Smith works 20 hours a week. He earns £10 per hour, and she earns £8.20 per hour. They rent a private house, run a small 15 year old car, and have a holiday in the UK for one week every year. For what these people are earning, this is a very typical scenario.

The average wage in the uk is around £585 per week , or roughly £14 per hour for 40 hour week. 63% of the uk rents  , while at least half or more take a holiday abroad rather than holidaying in the uk. So rather a vague generalisation by you yet again .



https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... nings/2019">https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019



https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Holiday%20Habits%20Report%202018%20011018.pdf">https://www.abta.com/sites/default/file ... 011018.pdf">https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Holiday%20Habits%20Report%202018%20011018.pdf

Now I will give you a genuine 100% true scenario. These people are my next door neighbors, and I know them quite well. For arguments sake they will be known as Mr & Mrs Brown. Mr Jones has a disability, and Mrs Smith is his carer. They receive a significant enough benefit to allow them to live in a very nice two bed bungalow. They have two foreign holidays, and their mobility allowance allows them to lease a brand new fully expensed motobility car. I can give various other examples of people I know, but this will do for the time being. So, the people who are not contributing anything towards society live a significantly better life style than those who are working 60 hours per week between them. Seriously, how demoralizing do you think this for the hard working people of this country ?

Well in my experience when someone  tells me "i am giving you a 100% true scenario " and provides anecdotal evidence , you just know they are talking shite.



You provide some imaginary anecdotal evidence as though this is somehow the norm outside your fantasy world.



1. The majority of the uk population isnt claiming benefits.



2.A tiny tiny fraction are claiming carers , dla or pip allowances.(1.3 million on CA , 1.8 million on dla.)



3. two thirds of those claiming DWP benefits are of pensionable age who are merely claiming back money they have paid into the system all their working life.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf



4. A tiny fraction of the uk are on the motability scheme , around 650 000 people.



So to sum up , the majority of the uk on dwp benefits are pensioners who have more than paid into the sytem ,  not pisstakers living the life of luxury on benefits as you make out.



A tiny fraction outwith the norm are on motability , so the trope that people who arent contributing anything to society are living the life of riley on benefits and this is somehow the norm is just total utter cac .



You are a green eyed fantasist mate , and you need to put down the latest copy of the express , get off the outrage bus and make yourself a cuppa tea.

[Bright Young Thing]

MOD NOTICE



Right chaps, the Mod Team took the decision to remove the photo as details were easily found. The matter is now closed, and anyone referring to it in future will receive a ban. Also, threatening other members is not acceptable either, so if that occurs again, a lifetime ban will be incurred. You have been warned.

[papasmurf]

The picture in question has been removed. I just wonder though, if you lived to a thousand years old, would you be able to find the property in question, and the number plate is not visible, I checked.

The number plates on both vehicles in that picture were visible, all that was needed was to magnify the picture to get the registration.

Once you have a vehicle registration number it isn't rocket science to trace the registered address,

Also if you right click on any picture on the internet and click on "view source," there can be as much as 2000 or more lines of code appear with a amazing amount of detail in it, (Often even including the serial number of the device it was taken on and where it was purchased.)

There was also a name contained within the lines of code that could possibly be yours.

People think they are anonymous on the internet, but a bit of tracking after they put something stupid on the internet  and they aren't.

[Wiggles]

Frankly I suspect you are just envious, because in fact you know eff all about their personal circumstances, and if they see their home and car posted on this forum coupled with what you have stated about them I hope they sue you.

I know all about the benefit forms because of helping people who have been wrongly refused benefit if no hard evidence is supplied no benefit will be awarded.



I also suggest you remove that picture because both car numbers are visible which identifies the people you are accusing of fraud.

The picture in question has been removed. I just wonder though, if you lived to a thousand years old, would you be able to find the property in question, and the number plate is not visible, I checked. I should also mention, I am NOT, and haven't accused anyone of fraud, these people are good people, and have merely taken what is legally on offer from our very generous system. You say I know eff all about their personal financial circumstances, even though my wife is a VERY good friend of the neighbors in question. Believe me, my wife cared for adults with learning difficulties for many years, and this is what originally formed my, and her opinions of the system. She had to take them shopping for items they didn't need in order she could get their bank balance below the required limit. On a few occasions she had to set up expensive holidays for the same reason. If your helping people to get more of the tax payers money in order they can have a better quality of life, your not doing it very well

[papasmurf]

Below is the bungalow and brand new car supplied to my next door neighbors, care of the British tax payer. If you haven't something similar, I suggest you research what forms to fill in. PS, you may also notice the SKY dish

Frankly I suspect you are just envious, because in fact you know eff all about their personal circumstances, and if they see their home and car posted on this forum coupled with what you have stated about them I hope they sue you.

I know all about the benefit forms because of helping people who have been wrongly refused benefit if no hard evidence is supplied no benefit will be awarded.



I also suggest you remove that picture because both car numbers are visible which identifies the people you are accusing of fraud.

[papasmurf]

 My belief is that human beings in this country are well cared for by the government,

Your belief is wrong, very wrong, and it shows. Your belief is based on ignorance.

It will just take, one accident, or one life changing injury/disease/disaster to find out just how wrong your beliefs are.

Then you will find out how very badly treated by government people have been since May 2010.

As the saying goes, it could be you, and sooner than you think.

[Wiggles]

It is only demoralising to people who are as totally ignorant of the benefits system and how harsh it is as you are.

On the other hand I expect you would do precisely nothing in a case like this or unscrewing your wallet to make a donation:-



https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-raised-for-homeless-woman-who-gave-birth-to-twins-outside-cambridge-university-11895895">https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-ra ... y-11895895">https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-raised-for-homeless-woman-who-gave-birth-to-twins-outside-cambridge-university-11895895



https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/homeless-woman-birth-premature-twins-17471458">https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/c ... s-17471458">https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/homeless-woman-birth-premature-twins-17471458

I give both time and money to animal charities, My belief is that human beings in this country are well cared for by the government, If the recipients of government hand outs choose to spend that money poorly, that's their problem.



Below is the bungalow and brand new car supplied to my next door neighbors, care of the British tax payer. If you haven't something similar, I suggest you research what forms to fill in. PS, you may also notice the SKY dish

https://i.imgur.com/ckBrmNe.jpg">

[papasmurf]

Seriously, how demoralizing do you think this for the hard working people of this country ?

It is only demoralising to people who are as totally ignorant of the benefits system and how harsh it is as you are.

On the other hand I expect you would do precisely nothing in a case like this or unscrewing your wallet to make a donation:-



https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-raised-for-homeless-woman-who-gave-birth-to-twins-outside-cambridge-university-11895895">https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-ra ... y-11895895">https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-raised-for-homeless-woman-who-gave-birth-to-twins-outside-cambridge-university-11895895



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