Off topic thread (to the tower)

[Borchester]

Evidence please.

Most of us.



On average parents spend 10% more than they have on their children.

[papasmurf]

 I am referring to the millions of people who produce children when they can't afford it to start with.

Evidence please.

[Wiggles]

There you go. Doesn't hurt to be reasonable does it? And you'll be much more popular when you are.



Anyway, do you seriously think and ordinary working man could afford to help raise say his brother's two children if he's struggling to raise his own? We are supposed to be a caring society  so we make the brother's two children go without because their father died or had the misfortune to lose his job? We don't  all have large numbers of brothers and sisters or uncles and cousins as we used to to help raise a sick relative's child.  



As it is we have an unwritten contract. If  a person is  unable to, you and I and other taxpayers help to support his kids. In return, if you lose all your income and can't support your kids, we'll all help you support yours.  And if you never have the misfortune to be in that position, you can count your blessings and think how lucky you are that it never happened to you and how lucky your kids were to live in a country where the taxpayers weren't all begrudging.

I am not talking about the people who lose a loved one, or even their job, I am referring to the millions of people who produce children when they can't afford it to start with. Just going back to your first sentence, I don't care if I am not popular, I'm used to it real life  

[Thomas]

OK. I think we can agree that in the majority of countries family allowance isn't dished out, nor are the child related benefits.

What are you gibbering about now alf?



Is this you talking more bollocks on adult internet forums?



In this article here



https://www.euronews.com/2018/08/17/which-country-has-the-highest-child-benefits-available-to-foreigners-">https://www.euronews.com/2018/08/17/whi ... oreigners-">https://www.euronews.com/2018/08/17/which-country-has-the-highest-child-benefits-available-to-foreigners-



many  countries such as france , germany  ireland , russia , turkey , denmark ,spain , ukraine  , all dish out child related benefits.



Heres another on sweden paying child benefits...



https://www.vox.com/2016/5/23/11440638/child-benefit-child-allowance">https://www.vox.com/2016/5/23/11440638/ ... -allowance">https://www.vox.com/2016/5/23/11440638/child-benefit-child-allowance

 



So who agrees with you that the majority of countries dont pay child related benefits? Certainly it seems to be the norm in the civilised world.



The majority of countries in the civilised world are concerned with their populations declining and aging , and they combat this in two ways , encouraging people to have more kids (offering child related benefits and bonuses ) and encouraging immigration.

Perhaps the most common pronatalist policies aim to reduce parents' considerable financial costs for childbearing and child rearing. Those policies include cash bonuses at the time of a child's birth and/or recurrent cash supplements for dependent children.

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Fertility levels – the number of children being born to assure the next generation – are generally low in OECD countries. This is a cause of primary concern to governments because it contributes to ageing societies and means fewer taxpayers to fund pensions, health services and so on

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https://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archivestory.php/aid/563/Can_governments_influence_population_growth_.html">https://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archi ... owth_.html">https://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archivestory.php/aid/563/Can_governments_influence_population_growth_.html



and why they give out child benefits to encourage population growth.........

The relationship between population growth and growth of economic output has been studied extensively



Population growth affects many phenomena such as the age structure of a country's population, international migration, economic inequality, and the size of a country's work force. These factors both affect and are affected by overall economic growth.

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[Calico Jack]

OK. I think we can agree that in the majority of countries family allowance isn't dished out, nor are the child related benefits. of course, there will be exceptions. So what happens, do the children die, do they starve, or do they get given away. The answer is simple, the parents and their families care for the children, NOT the tax payer.



Giving parents money for producing kids goes back to the second world war, when the population was low, I think it's fair to say that we are far from being in that position now.

There you go. Doesn't hurt to be reasonable does it? And you'll be much more popular when you are.



Anyway, do you seriously think and ordinary working man could afford to help raise say his brother's two children if he's struggling to raise his own? We are supposed to be a caring society  so we make the brother's two children go without because their father died or had the misfortune to lose his job? We don't  all have large numbers of brothers and sisters or uncles and cousins as we used to to help raise a sick relative's child.  



As it is we have an unwritten contract. If  a person is  unable to, you and I and other taxpayers help to support his kids. In return, if you lose all your income and can't support your kids, we'll all help you support yours.  And if you never have the misfortune to be in that position, you can count your blessings and think how lucky you are that it never happened to you and how lucky your kids were to live in a country where the taxpayers weren't all begrudging.

[Wiggles]

And what Wiggles suggests is that prospective parents should have that amount in the bank before they have a child. And even that wouldn't be enough to cover unemployment or sickness of the parent.



His idea of  being able to stroll into another job is ridiculous. What about the steelworkers when they were made redundant? He seems to think secure full time jobs are plentiful. He obviously has no experience and no empathy.

OK. I think we can agree that in the majority of countries family allowance isn't dished out, nor are the child related benefits. of course, there will be exceptions. So what happens, do the children die, do they starve, or do they get given away. The answer is simple, the parents and their families care for the children, NOT the tax payer.



Giving parents money for producing kids goes back to the second world war, when the population was low, I think it's fair to say that we are far from being in that position now.

[papasmurf]

His idea of  being able to stroll into another job is ridiculous. What about the steelworkers when they were made redundant? He seems to think secure full time jobs are plentiful. He obviously has no experience and no empathy.

Extrapolating personal experience as applying to anyone else is not only stupid, it is dangerous. That he has no empathy have been VERY obvious from day one of him arriving on the forum.

[Calico Jack]

As firm believer in what goes around comes around he  may not be posting on here for much longer.



As for the cost of raising a child from conception to adulthood, it costs someone not necessarily the parents over £150000, (that is the low end.)

And what Wiggles suggests is that prospective parents should have that amount in the bank before they have a child. And even that wouldn't be enough to cover unemployment or sickness of the parent.



His idea of  being able to stroll into another job is ridiculous. What about the steelworkers when they were made redundant? He seems to think secure full time jobs are plentiful. He obviously has no experience and no empathy.

[papasmurf]

Said the man who hasn't had to look for a permanent full time job in the last ten or fifteen years. <sigh> That's the trouble with trolls like Wiggles they talk nonsense to get the attention they crave and start more arguments and posters find it's difficult to remove them themselves without breaking the rules . The best thing for other posters to do is laugh them off the board.  

As firm believer in what goes around comes around he  may not be posting on here for much longer.



As for the cost of raising a child from conception to adulthood, it costs someone not necessarily the parents over £150000, (that is the low end.)

[Calico Jack]

£250k to raise a child, bo110cks. Who genuinely thinks it costs £12k a year to bring a up a kid, and even if it does, why should the tax payer foot the bill. If your made redundant, get yourself down the employment agency and do some work, don't expect me to pay for your brats.

Said the man who hasn't had to look for a permanent full time job in the last ten or fifteen years. <sigh> That's the trouble with trolls like Wiggles they talk nonsense to get the attention they crave and start more arguments and posters find it's difficult to remove them themselves without breaking the rules . The best thing for other posters to do is laugh them off the board.  

[Thomas]

Go back to bed.



As the great Heinlein said, the reason the early bird caught the worm was because the worm did not have the sense to stay in bed.

You joking in this house borkie?



Wife is in kitchen cooking and feeling christmassey with music blaring , the kids are hyper .



Be quieter trying to sleep in the feckin supermarket aisles. ::

[Borchester]

:thup:



Lay in till half seven this morning borkie , normally up and out much earlier.



   Now wondering what to do with myself and all this free time!!! ::

Go back to bed.



As the great Heinlein said, the reason the early bird caught the worm was because the worm did not have the sense to stay in bed.

[Thomas]

Perhaps we should get together, celebrate Hogmanay, and share a glass of haggis

Knowing your luck  you would probably trip over your webbed feet and drop it.



You taken your meds this morning alf?





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[Thomas]

Very kind of you to say so my boy.



And the same to you.



 :santa:  :santa:  

 :thup:



Lay in till half seven this morning borkie , normally up and out much earlier.



   Now wondering what to do with myself and all this free time!!! ::

[Wiggles]

5. we do.so what?

Perhaps we should get together, celebrate Hogmanay, and share a glass of haggis