Off topic thread (to the tower)

[papasmurf]

The reason he does not sue is because he would lose and he knows it, he may be a fool but even he is not that stupid, he even lied on the TV last night about the Tories not supporting the creation of the NHS back in the 40's when it had cross party support.

You think he would lose I don't as for the NHS the Tories voted against the introduction of it 21 times, that is a matter of public records.



More at link:



http://www.westendatwar.org.uk/page/what_resistance_was_there_to_the_formation_of_the_nhs">http://www.westendatwar.org.uk/page/wha ... of_the_nhs">http://www.westendatwar.org.uk/page/what_resistance_was_there_to_the_formation_of_the_nhs



Churchill's Tories voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times before the act was passed, including both the Second and Third reading. Churchill sincerely believed that the NHS was a"first step to turn Britain into a National Socialist economy." To compare the NHS to Nazism in 1946 shows the extremity of views at the time.







https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/why-should-the-people-wait-any-longer-how-labour-built-the-nhs/">https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpoli ... t-the-nhs/">https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/why-should-the-people-wait-any-longer-how-labour-built-the-nhs/



The Tories voted against it 21 times and in one survey of doctors carried out in 1948, the BMA claimed that only 4,734 doctors out of the 45,148 polled, were in favour of an NHS. Churchill too was ferocious in his attack on Bevan. He told Bevan that unless he "changes his policy and methods and moves without the slightest delay, he will be as great a curse to his country in time of peace as he was a squalid nuisance in time of war." The Tory amendment stated that it:

...declines to give a Third Reading to a Bill which discourages voluntary effort and association; mutilates the structure of local government; dangerously increases ministerial power and patronage; appropriates trust funds and benefactions in contempt of the wishes of donors and subscribers; and undermines the freedom and independence of the medical profession to the detriment of the nation.

[Churchill]

Because frankly the lies and propaganda about him take so little time to refute.  Frankly they are farcical. On the other hand the lies and propaganda by Boris Johnson when he was a "journalist," are a matter of public record.

The reason he does not sue is because he would lose and he knows it, he may be a fool but even he is not that stupid, he even lied on the TV last night about the Tories not supporting the creation of the NHS back in the 40's when it had cross party support.

[papasmurf]

 

Ask yourself one question why has Corbyn not sued anyone for releasing these films or publishing articles about Corbyn and his meetings with known terrorists

Because frankly the lies and propaganda about him take so little time to refute.  Frankly they are farcical. On the other hand the lies and propaganda by Boris Johnson when he was a "journalist," are a matter of public record.

[Churchill]

You are wrong no matter how many times you repeat something that is wrong it will not make it right or true, his meetings and sharing platforms with terrorists in the Middle East were all filmed and not by the Mail,



You have no idea how Mossad operates most of the time or perhaps years later same as any Secret Intelligence Service ours or anyone other nations, if you did they are not doing their job right and their organisation is full of leaks

 

Ask yourself one question why has Corbyn not sued anyone for releasing these films or publishing articles about Corbyn and his meetings with known terrorists

[papasmurf]

Attending meetings and rallies with Hamas,Hezbollah laying a wreath on the graves of dead terrorists,

Actually that is a lie for which the Daily Mail should be sued. Corbyn laid a wreath on a memorial to the victims of terrorism.

He would have a problem as would anyone else laying a wreath of the dead terrorist as alleged because several of them are buried in another country, and those "offed" by Mossad have no know grave.

[Barry]

It's OK Wiggles, I've  found the ideal place for you to live and a Tory candidate who, if she wins, will do her best to make sure disabled people  get less. Perhaps you could ask her when she's intending to open the first labour camp for the disabled and you could attend the grand opening. .



A Conservative candidate has told voters that disabled people and those with learning disabilities should be paid less because some "don't understand money".

Sally-Ann Hart, the Tory candidate for the marginal seat of Hastings and Rye, was met with jeers and boos when she made the comments at an election hustings this week.



"Some people with learning difficulties, they don't understand money," she said, in an exchange that was captured on video.





https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-candidate-general-election-disabled-people-money-sally-ann-hart-a9235281.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 35281.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-candidate-general-election-disabled-people-money-sally-ann-hart-a9235281.html

Can you tell me what was incorrect about what she said, I mean the direct quotes, not the lies the Independent made up, or are we all supposed to get offended on someone else's behalf because the Independent is running out of mud to sling at the Tories? (Also note - Right wing Spectator magazine  ::  )

[Churchill]

Associated with? Really? Guilt by association is straight out of the propaganda manual.

I am fully aware we do not do Guilt by Association in the UK, but his actions and behaviour over the years has aroused the attention of our security services who are very suspicious of him IMO with just cause, meetings held in secret with the IRA with no approval or support from HMG why did he meet them ? what did he say ? there was nothing he could do arrange or achieve.



Attending meetings and rallies with Hamas,Hezbollah laying a wreath on the graves of dead terrorists, he has a track record a bad one of meeting enemies of our country. you do realize that the IRA top command were or are far left wing many of them Marxists, that they support Palestinian and Arab Terrorists and certainly no friends of Israel or Jews.



These terror groups help each other where do you think the IRA got huge amounts of arms ammunitions and explosives ? from the Middle East the IRA trained in the Middle East, Gadhafi sent them ship loads, with which the IRA mounted their war in NI and on our streets and they still have some hidden away, the IRA is still in place they have not gone away.



Is this acceptable behaviour for a UK politician who may even become our PM next week I think not

[papasmurf]

I take all the media with a large pinch of salt, however there is no doubt about who Corbyn has been associated with over many years the IRA, Hamas , Hezbollah, when he acted independently as a back bench MP that did not have any authority to change anything or asked by the Government of the day be it Labour or Tory to do so.

Associated with? Really? Guilt by association is straight out of the propaganda manual.

[Churchill]

Seriously though, daily mail stuff need to be taken with a pinch of salt.



Even Wikipedia, which is pretty liberal on it's requirements for accurate sourcing cautions against them putting them only marginally above the National "Gordon Ramsay Sex Dwarf Eaten by Badger" Enquirer.



From their page on unreliable sources.

I take all the media with a large pinch of salt, however there is no doubt about who Corbyn has been associated with over many years the IRA, Hamas , Hezbollah, when he acted independently as a back bench MP that did not have any authority to change anything or asked by the Government of the day be it Labour or Tory to do so.

[papasmurf]

"Some people with learning difficulties, they don't understand money," she said, in an exchange that was captured on video.

I know plenty of people who don't understand money, and they are not handicapped.

[Calico Jack]

I don't believe most people who are out work live a life of luxury, however I do believe the amount the disabled receive is far to generous. Housing benefit, money they can give to Ford for a new fully expensed car, and universal credit. I recon that works out to about £1500. Not bad really.

 It's OK Wiggles, I've  found the ideal place for you to live and a Tory candidate who, if she wins, will do her best to make sure disabled people  get less. Perhaps you could ask her when she's intending to open the first labour camp for the disabled and you could attend the grand opening. .



A Conservative candidate has told voters that disabled people and those with learning disabilities should be paid less because some "don't understand money".

Sally-Ann Hart, the Tory candidate for the marginal seat of Hastings and Rye, was met with jeers and boos when she made the comments at an election hustings this week.



"Some people with learning difficulties, they don't understand money," she said, in an exchange that was captured on video.





https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-candidate-general-election-disabled-people-money-sally-ann-hart-a9235281.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 35281.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-candidate-general-election-disabled-people-money-sally-ann-hart-a9235281.html

[BeElBeeBub]

Usually called being economical with the truth in Political circles



Suggest you don't read the DM today all about Corbyn McDonnell and the Tax Payers money Fraud, a follow on from yesterday I really would like to see Corbyn and his Marxist pals sue the Mail I really would, what a bun fight that would be ::



Why DID Jeremy Corbyn share offices with a convicted IRA bomb maker? https://mol.im/a/7757293">https://mol.im/a/7757293 via @MailOnline

Seriously though, daily mail stuff need to be taken with a pinch of salt.



Even Wikipedia, which is pretty liberal on it's requirements for accurate sourcing cautions against them putting them only marginally above the National "Gordon Ramsay Sex Dwarf Eaten by Badger" Enquirer.



From their page on unreliable sources.

The more extreme tabloids such as the National Enquirer should never be used, as most stories in them are intentional hoaxes.



In general, tabloid newspapers, such as The Sun, Daily Mirror, the Daily Mail (see also the February 2017 RFC discussing its validity), equivalent television shows, should be used with caution, especially if they are making sensational claims. The Daily Express and Sunday Express should be treated with even greater caution.

[Barry]

What down from 5% to 2.5%? It is a big dataset.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/outofworkbenefits/timeseries/bcjb/unem">//https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/outofworkbenefits/timeseries/bcjb/unem

[papasmurf]

Like I said, if you don't know, it's fine, But I found my own figures down from 5.0% to 2.5%.

What down from 5% to 2.5%? It is a big dataset.

[Barry]

For which benefit?

Have you any idea on the numbers of out of work benefits claimants in 2010 and what the comparable number is now? Has it gone up or down?

If you don't know, that's fine.

Like I said, if you don't know, it's fine, But I found my own figures down from 5.0% to 2.5%.