Off topic thread (to the tower)

[papasmurf]

At last, something we agree on

What? Benefits are no where near those rates, they are well below that.

[Wiggles]

More bollocks from you. Disabled people have far more day to day living costs than able bodied people.



Linked research at link:-



https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extra-costs/disability-price-tag/">https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extr ... price-tag/">https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extra-costs/disability-price-tag/



Disabled people

On average, face extra costs of £583 a month

On average, a disabled person's extra costs are equivalent to almost half of their income (not including housing costs)

1 in 5 disabled people face extra costs of more than £1,000 a month

Disabled people's money does not tend to go as far. On average, £100 for a non-disabled person is equivalent to just £68 for a disabled person.

Families with disabled children

On average, face extra costs of £581 a month

For almost a quarter (24%) of families with disabled children, extra costs amount to over £1,000 a month.

At last, something we agree on. Disabled people have far more day to day living costs than able bodied people.

[papasmurf]

 I do believe the amount the disabled receive is far to generous.

More bollocks from you. Disabled people have far more day to day living costs than able bodied people.



Linked research at link:-



https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extra-costs/disability-price-tag/">https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extr ... price-tag/">https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extra-costs/disability-price-tag/



Disabled people

On average, face extra costs of £583 a month

On average, a disabled person's extra costs are equivalent to almost half of their income (not including housing costs)

1 in 5 disabled people face extra costs of more than £1,000 a month

Disabled people's money does not tend to go as far. On average, £100 for a non-disabled person is equivalent to just £68 for a disabled person.

Families with disabled children

On average, face extra costs of £581 a month

For almost a quarter (24%) of families with disabled children, extra costs amount to over £1,000 a month.

[papasmurf]

The claimant count, that's what I asked you about for figures.

For which benefit?

[Wiggles]

I don't believe most people who are out work live a life of luxury, however I do believe the amount the disabled receive is far to generous. Housing benefit, money they can give to Ford for a new fully expensed car, and universal credit. I recon that works out to about £1500. Not bad really.



Another example for you, that you will doubt ignore, or call a anecdote. We have a chap that drinks in the local village pub on daily basis, his name is "limpy Dave", so called because of the big boot he wears on one foot. Some years ago he damaged his leg putting his foot through a TV screen. Possibly watching a Labour political broadcast, but I don't know. He lives in social housing paid for by the state, he drinks about 15 pints a day, and smokes 40 cigarettes. Unlike many disabled people he doesn't have a brand new car, but does have a car. Needless to say he has enough money to eat and cloth himself. There is nothing to stop him working, although I accept there are jobs he can't do. He is just another one of many people I have known, and do know, who have a great life thanks to the hard working tax payers of this country.

[Barry]

What has gone down?

The claimant count, that's what I asked you about for figures.

[papasmurf]

You didn't know that it has gone down from around 5% (2010) to 2.5% (2018) of the working population.

That is a significant reduction, isn't it?

What has gone down?

[Churchill]

Usually called being economical with the truth in Political circles



Suggest you don't read the DM today all about Corbyn McDonnell and the Tax Payers money Fraud, a follow on from yesterday I really would like to see Corbyn and his Marxist pals sue the Mail I really would, what a bun fight that would be ::



Why DID Jeremy Corbyn share offices with a convicted IRA bomb maker? https://mol.im/a/7757293">https://mol.im/a/7757293 via @MailOnline

[Barry]

The data for each benefit is published on a regular basis here, mainly graphics and historical data.



https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2019">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... ruary-2019">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2019

You didn't know that it has gone down from around 5% (2010) to 2.5% (2018) of the working population.

That is a significant reduction, isn't it?

[papasmurf]

And if claiming disability is as easy as you claim, I suggest you try it.

It could be arranged for him to need to apply.

[Calico Jack]

No. My wife and worked very hard and saved. At 57 I retired and moved to the coast, I am now 62. We live off of our savings until our two private and state pensions cut in.



I don't know what your so upset about. I happen to believe that there are a lot of claimants feigning disability, and also believe the benefits system is far to generous. You think otherwise, that's just life my friend, we can't all agree with each other.

Well I suggest you check a few figures and educate yourself.



 The most common form of benefit fraud is when a person receives unemployment benefits, while working.



..... official UK Government figures have stated that the proportion of fraud stands at 0.7% of the total welfare budget in 2011/12.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_fraud_in_the_United_Kingdom">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_f ... ed_Kingdom">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_fraud_in_the_United_Kingdom



And while you're at it, there's an article here about people claiming welfare and living in unashamed luxury on these far too generous benefits taken from the tax you pay.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2019-50663879/general-election-2019-how-do-grimsby-s-food-bank-users-want-to-vote">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election- ... nt-to-vote">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2019-50663879/general-election-2019-how-do-grimsby-s-food-bank-users-want-to-vote



And you might also like to read the rest of the article and then consider the vast amount lost in tax frauds plus the vast amounts stolen from employers by "workers " stealing time and helping themselves to their boss's stock.



And if claiming disability is as easy as you claim, I suggest you try it.

[papasmurf]

Wrong guess , perhaps you should have considered what I thought about the DM and BBC articles, if you had I would have simple said the Head of the UK Statistics is the more reliable source to be more accurate than Corbyn and the person who briefed him

But the head of the UK statistics did not do what the Daily Heil stated. Did you bother to look at the statistics? Corbyn may have exaggerated but not by much.

[Wiggles]

Have you any idea on the numbers of out of work benefits claimants in 2010 and what the comparable number is now? Has it gone up or down?

If you don't know, that's fine.

Just had a look. It would appear people claiming unemployment benefit has gone down. That just proves how well the government have managed the economy. Despite the uncertainty of Brexit, the country is still doing well. Unfortunately the amount of people claiming PIP and DLA have risen by about half a million, and that kind of proves my point.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/779673/benefits-statistical-summary-february-2019.pdf

[papasmurf]

Have you any idea on the numbers of out of work benefits claimants in 2010 and what the comparable number is now? Has it gone up or down?

If you don't know, that's fine.

The data for each benefit is published on a regular basis here, mainly graphics and historical data.



https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2019">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... ruary-2019">https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2019

[Barry]

When the Tories got into power in May 2010 they believed their own propaganda that there were a million "scroungers" on disability benefits that could be found work and the savings could be used to fund Universal Credit.

It did not take long for their assumption to be proved very wrong.

Have you any idea on the numbers of out of work benefits claimants in 2010 and what the comparable number is now? Has it gone up or down?

If you don't know, that's fine.