Russian Interference Report - Leaked testimony

[Baron von Lotsov]

Report to be released soonish.



What are the odds it will be redacted into oblivion.

The press have already blanked the UKIP. For some reason though Farage had all the press eating out of his hand. It was not like that in the old days, where he had the Gerard Batten kind of treatment, but of late the man went far more politically correct and it has now reached the point (or it did at least when the Brexit Party were on 14% of the vote) where he was like their messiah.



Indeed, what I reckon was going on where the vote was 14% was that the 14% was basically hot air, like where a dot com firm is worth billions on paper but the shareholder founders can't cash their shares in!!! When the Brexit Party did cash their shares in at the election they god piddle. They got what one would have expected them to get if one never knew what the polls were, but based the prediction on the circumstances. Farage is a man propped up by the media, the dodgy polling firms, Cambridge Analytica type operations and Russian cash. Without those ingredients the UKIP have as much chance as the Christian Party or similar, who I think managed a few thousand votes. Anything above 10K votes in the general election needs something more than good policies. Welcome to the one party state.

[Ciaphas]

Report to be released soonish.



What are the odds it will be redacted into oblivion.

[Baron von Lotsov]

I believe several of them are literally ex-commie.



Idk if you are aware but many of the Brexit Partiers are ex Rev Commie Party members.



Pretty staggering really when you think about it...utterly infuriating.



For my part, I love Russian folks but think their govt is wholly corrupt; that said I can see things from their perspective too. Hasn't the west tried to do the same things to Russia as they've done to us? How would you respond if that imbecile Bush pointed missiles at you on your borders? And Cameron tried to threaten you?



Nonetheless - I want us to 'win' against Russia and cast these heathens out of our system, so we can be more sovereign once again.



Don't forget; it's the Saudis, Israel and of course the USA who also largely play a hand in our internal politics too.



Equally, we try to project our power abroad (which is also amoral); see this:

What I reckon will happen is the Chinese will establish the new lead and the new politics. The Chinese seem to be able to handle the Russians because there has been an amicable relationship in the past. The Russians helped the Chinese to industrialise. It seems to me the leaders agree, so they will do business, but the understanding is that Russia will run its own business and so with the Chinese. Neither are into a cultural takeover of the other or anywhere else for that matter. Meanwhile there is friction between the Japs and South Korea, and it is believed this may result in the US losing influence in the region, since it is aligned to the Japs, and the trade dispute where the Japs are punishing the Koreans will result in China stepping in and sorting them out.



So you see you have a pretty agreeable relationship between states down that way except where the US is concerned and their Japanese friends, which are seriously hated by the Chinese. Then there is a kind of beginnings of a military alliance between India and Japan. This makes the Chinese feel very uncomfortable, but then Britain has close ties to India and the Chinese are mad keen on setting up lots of trade with us, which is an excellent sign. The difference is Russia is extremely corrupt and the Chinese are extremely clean. Apparently the current Chinese leader chucked out all the corrupt ones and they now languish in prison, and fighting corruption has been a big thing of recent years. They are checking out Hong kong as well for it is said the British ran highly corrupt operations.



So it's a complex picture. We've got to be the best diplomats so we can keep em all happy. Putin should mellow out if he sees us shifting trade from US to China, which makes business sense for us, but US will be grumpy. Who knows what they will do. We've got to try and remain friendly with the US and also be seen as ruthlessly politically independent of them. One way we can achieve this is to scale down our defence industry and try and steer the country more in the direction of industrial and consumer manufacturing. If we did then we would find a lot more states around the world feeling they can trust us more when they themselves are an official enemy of the US. The arms industry is one of the most corrupt business to be in. Corruption is like a virus. You can catch it from one place and it can then spread everywhere.

[Baron von Lotsov]

I would not like to be a journalist in Russia write something Putin does not like as some do and suddenly they are dead accidently of course :roll:

It's the reporting of financial matters which gets you blown up. See Daphne Galizia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia That's an underworld job. They think it was the Albanians, but even if it was, it would have been a case of someone hiring them.

[Churchill]

I would not like to be a journalist in Russia write something Putin does not like as some do and suddenly they are dead accidently of course :roll:

[Baron von Lotsov]

Mind you, you can't isolate the leader from the people. We got Tony Blair because our country was stupid, and Russia has Putin because they want a tough man to run them. Meanwhile over at Uncle Sam's cafe it is much the same. Trump is there because he has the support of the people. They want to screw China to make themselves proud to be American. Putin is the alter ego of the Russian psyche. He's a very popular leader and is often portrayed as one of those film star heroes, like their equivalent of James Bond.

[patman post]

Everything Russia becomes involved internationally with seems to back up the theory that Putin's objective is to stir up unrest throughout the world so that Russia can project the image of a calm and settled nation amid international chaos...

[Baron von Lotsov]

I believe several of them are literally ex-commie.



Idk if you are aware but many of the Brexit Partiers are ex Rev Commie Party members.



Pretty staggering really when you think about it...utterly infuriating.



For my part, I love Russian folks but think their govt is wholly corrupt; that said I can see things from their perspective too. Hasn't the west tried to do the same things to Russia as they've done to us? How would you respond if that imbecile Bush pointed missiles at you on your borders? And Cameron tried to threaten you?



Nonetheless - I want us to 'win' against Russia and cast these heathens out of our system, so we can be more sovereign once again.



Don't forget; it's the Saudis, Israel and of course the USA who also largely play a hand in our internal politics too.



Equally, we try to project our power abroad (which is also amoral); see this:

The trouble is in Russia the KGB grabbed control, and they ended up with the lion's share of ex-state industry, and although dilapidated, Russia has a huge amount of things like natural gas, so eventually it was put back together, broken up, sold off and so on, and now the KGB lot are billionaires, and they have a political wing as well to show they are truly democratic - .



It's interesting to note that over in China the current leader came to power in 2013 and has now assumed total power, where before it was more shared out across different people, and has kicked out a lot of the existing government, and they languish in prison for serious corruption charges. Of course one possibility is they are simply in prison because they are political opponents and the charges were bogus, but the other possibility is he actually kicked out all the wrong'uns and is now running the country corruption-free. One way to tell if a country is corrupt is by looking at its economic performance. That's the end result, in that all of this misinformation and distortion in economics and political decisions totally wrecks the wider economy, and is why Russia has been down in the dumps.



So that is really stupid of our Tory politicians to side with those who work with Russian Mafia rather than perhaps finding supporters in areas which believe in honesty. It seems to me that Murphy's law applies, where when they select partners they will always go for the worst. I know a few people like that who do the same when choosing friends. It's like they are cursed.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Exactly, Wikipedia can be edited by almost anyone...

Yes but you have to get people to back it. My point was unarguable because i said, here is the original document - use this rather than the independent's mashing up of info. You see our Russian friends like to be selective when quoting. I was backed up because the inclusion Independent's reference violated their rules.



If you think anyone can edit it as they like then you've been misled.

[Borg Refinery]

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/01/08/new-documents-reveal-a-covert-british-military-intelligence-smear-machine-meddling-in-american-politics/#more-1491">https://thegrayzone.com/2019/01/08/new- ... #more-1491">https://thegrayzone.com/2019/01/08/new-documents-reveal-a-covert-british-military-intelligence-smear-machine-meddling-in-american-politics/#more-1491

[Borg Refinery]

Thanks for the link. Well it shows you the morals of the Tories. I've been saying for ages they are soviet socialists, and here we see then having dinner with the Kremlin. Russia is known for its no-compromise socialist principles, namely if you disagree with them then they will shoot you.



It had to happen this way though, because you can't imagine too many of the public making donations to the Tory Party in the belief that it is a good cause. They have had to go to the underworld for help.

I believe several of them are literally ex-commie.



Idk if you are aware but many of the Brexit Partiers are ex Rev Commie Party members.



Pretty staggering really when you think about it...utterly infuriating.



For my part, I love Russian folks but think their govt is wholly corrupt; that said I can see things from their perspective too. Hasn't the west tried to do the same things to Russia as they've done to us? How would you respond if that imbecile Bush pointed missiles at you on your borders? And Cameron tried to threaten you?



Nonetheless - I want us to 'win' against Russia and cast these heathens out of our system, so we can be more sovereign once again.



Don't forget; it's the Saudis, Israel and of course the USA who also largely play a hand in our internal politics too.



Equally, we try to project our power abroad (which is also amoral); see this:

[patman post]

I know that because I do have lots of info from elsewhere and continually check Wiki's accuracy. The only times I see it falls down is when it has our Newspapers as references. If it is a subject not covered by our Newspapers, then it is generally excellent. Wikipedia's policy is to quote the source, so if it is re-reported in a newspaper and the original source is available, the policy is to skip the Newspaper's interpretation and get it from the horse's mouth. One time they did not do that and quoted the Russian owned independent and were wrong. In these instances I intervene in the editing.

Exactly, Wikipedia can be edited by almost anyone...

[papasmurf]

 Well it shows you the morals of the Tories.

They haven't got any morals

[Baron von Lotsov]

How pathetic is that?



Seems like there is now some crossover between this thread and the UKIP/Russians thread in the Twilight zone.  :-?

No, I just have a policy of not keeping a whitelist. They are all black.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Some names here but the usual caveats apply.



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Thanks for the link. Well it shows you the morals of the Tories. I've been saying for ages they are soviet socialists, and here we see then having dinner with the Kremlin. Russia is known for its no-compromise socialist principles, namely if you disagree with them then they will shoot you.



It had to happen this way though, because you can't imagine too many of the public making donations to the Tory Party in the belief that it is a good cause. They have had to go to the underworld for help.