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Started by T00ts, December 07, 2020, 10:38:00 AM

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Sheepy

Quote from: papasmurf on December 08, 2020, 10:21:09 AM
Two, don't you have a television?  Anyone who doesn't know both the Pfizer and the Oxford vaccines need two doses mush have had their head up their fundamental orifice for the last few weeks.
Oh right, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
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papasmurf

Quote from: Sheepy on December 08, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
Hey brains how many doses of Pfizer do you need, didn't anyone mention it?

Two, don't you have a television?  Anyone who doesn't know both the Pfizer and the Oxford vaccines need two doses must have had their head up their fundamental orifice for the last few weeks.
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Sheepy

Quote from: papasmurf on December 07, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
The Oxford team have been totally open from day one,  and it won't be the first time or the last  that scientific advances are made because of a mistake.
The only people trying to rubbish the Oxford vaccine are those who don't like two doses of it will only cost £5 and it will be logistically far easier to deliver  to every GP practice.
Hey brains how many doses of Pfizer do you need, didn't anyone mention it?
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

patman post

Quote from: papasmurf on December 07, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
The Oxford team have been totally open from day one,  and it won't be the first time or the last  that scientific advances are made because of a mistake.
The only people trying to rubbish the Oxford vaccine are those who don't like two doses of it will only cost £5 and it will be logistically far easier to deliver  to every GP practice.
Penicillin was reputedly the result of Alexander Fleming leaving unwashed petri dishes and going on vacation in 1928.
But it wasn't until 1941 a 43-year old policeman, Albert Alexander, became the first recipient of the Oxford-developed penicillin — he had scratched the side of his mouth while pruning roses, and had developed a life-threatening infection with huge abscesses affecting his eyes, face, and lungs.
Penicillin was injected and within days he made a remarkable recovery.
But supplies of the drug ran out and he died a few days later.
Fingers crossed for Oxford-AstraZeneca...
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papasmurf

Quote from: patman post on December 07, 2020, 04:24:23 PM
Why are you supporting a vaccine where it's been claimed a mistake in trial dosing has raised its effectiveness to the levels of others?



The Oxford team have been totally open from day one,  and it won't be the first time or the last  that scientific advances are made because of a mistake.
The only people trying to rubbish the Oxford vaccine are those who don't like two doses of it will only cost £5 and it will be logistically far easier to deliver  to every GP practice.
Nemini parco qui vivit in orbe

patman post

Quote from: papasmurf on December 07, 2020, 12:54:20 PM
I am about the 14 millionth in the queue for a vaccination, unless the Oxford vaccine is approved in the next few days.
Why are you supporting a vaccine where it's been claimed a mistake in trial dosing has raised its effectiveness to the levels of others?

The vaccine developed by the University of Oxford, UK, and pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca was found to be, on average, 70% effective in a preliminary analysis of phase III trial data, the developers announced in a press release on 23 November.
But the analysis found a striking difference in efficacy depending on the amount of vaccine delivered to a participant. A regimen consisting of 2 full doses given a month apart seemed to be just 62% effective. But, surprisingly, participants who received a lower amount of the vaccine in the first dose and then the full amount in the second dose were 90% less likely to develop COVID-19 than were participants in the placebo arm.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03326-w

Nevertheless, you'll probably get your choice of vaccine — if predicted delivery problems can be overcome:

Even with a question mark hanging over its efficacy [....] Oxford–AstraZeneca
estimates that it will have 200 million doses [of its vaccine] ready worldwide by the end of 2020
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papasmurf

Quote from: Barry on December 07, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
Thanks.
Tomorrow we will know when the first vaccinations are due to take place.

I am about the 14 millionth in the queue for a vaccination, unless the Oxford vaccine is approved in the next few days.
Nemini parco qui vivit in orbe

Barry

Thanks.
Tomorrow we will know when the first vaccinations are due to take place.
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papasmurf

Quote from: Barry on December 07, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
I intended to spend more time in England. There is a lot to see.


It is far too expensive for me to holiday in Britain.
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Barry

Quote from: papasmurf on December 07, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
The EU will require Covid-19 vaccination certificates. As will airlines and ferry companies.
I intended to spend more time in England. There is a lot to see.
Of course, Spain and Italy will miss the income from tourism, but if you can't see the agenda now, you're blind as a mole.
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Barry

Quote from: T00ts on December 07, 2020, 10:38:00 AM
Well it was only a matter of time I guess. The dear old NHS not satisfied with their data banks now will issue each of the vaccinated with their own little card with instructions to keep it on you at all times.

Having denied that vaccine will be compulsory they now facilitate those who wish to deny entry, participation etc to those unvaccinated. It's a strange new world. Are we about to lose our freedoms and rights for ever? Or will this just be a temporary affront? I spy the thin edge of a wedge.
What is the source of info which prompted your post, T00ts?
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Sheepy

Quote from: papasmurf on December 07, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
The EU will require Covid-19 vaccination certificates. As will airlines and ferry companies.
well, you don't want to go pissing off your friends in the EU then smurfy, so you had better get one.
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papasmurf

Quote from: Nick on December 07, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
NO, they are simply looking at.

The EU will require Covid-19 vaccination certificates. As will airlines and ferry companies.
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Sheepy

Anyway, like all corporate casino politics, the longer you play the more you pay.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!