Scotland & England: Different Values

[cromwell]

what ? Class sizes less than 25  , while england is bursting at the seams with 30?

School dinner ladies masquearading as teaching assistants taking primary school classes in england , english schools on the beg to parents due to lack of funding etc etc.
https://www.tes.com/news/id-rather-be-teacher-scotland-england



the vast majority of scottish people support the scottish government over education , despite the brit nat propaganda you read nick  , and at the end of the day , come election time ,thats all that matters.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/snp-dominates-scotlands-political-landscape-ahead-may-elections

Bloody kids today don't know they're born,when I were a lad there was 49 in our class (true actually) 

https://youtu.be/DJi_5T0jSnA

[Borchester]

what ? Class sizes less than 25  , while england is bursting at the seams with 30?

It does not work that way Tommy. Small classes and schools with plenty of teachers usually mean that there isn't much else going on and that jobs are scarce.

I don't know if the Scots are rich, poor or drink Buckfast out of Wee Krankie's socks, but I do know that economic data wise, Moray comes out with more crap than the Beckton sewage works.

[Nick]

what ? Class sizes less than 25  , while england is bursting at the seams with 30?

School dinner ladies masquearading as teaching assistants taking primary school classes in england , english schools on the beg to parents due to lack of funding etc etc.
https://www.tes.com/news/id-rather-be-teacher-scotland-england



the vast majority of scottish people support the scottish government over education , despite the brit nat propaganda you read nick  , and at the end of the day , come election time ,thats all that matters.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/snp-dominates-scotlands-political-landscape-ahead-may-elections

I note that you don't mention the quality of the education Thomas. 😉

[Sheepy]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/snp-quango-promoting-dangerous-propaganda-202304902.html
That old shyster Osborme was only saying yesterday it was all the fault of Brexit, Oh how I laughed, seems to me, it has all rather backfired on them, using minorities against majorities wasn't such a great move after the referendum. Now Ms Sturgeon has firmly put the scots under the EU thanks to the like of Osborne. Maybe he has a second home in Scotland, or will move in on the Cameron family estate. They might have a spare gatekeeper's cottage.

[Sheepy]

you extracted 45 trillion from india

No I didn't, I respected Indias decision to become independent, have a space program if they wished it, I didn't even pretend that sending them money was anything other than having some control in their affairs.

[Thomas]

Have you seen the state of the education system in Scotland?

what ? Class sizes less than 25  , while england is bursting at the seams with 30?

School dinner ladies masquearading as teaching assistants taking primary school classes in england , english schools on the beg to parents due to lack of funding etc etc.

'I'd rather be a teacher in Scotland than England'

Teachers have a far better time of it north of the border, says this educator who has experienced school life in both countries

https://www.tes.com/news/id-rather-be-teacher-scotland-england



the vast majority of scottish people support the scottish government over education , despite the brit nat propaganda you read nick  , and at the end of the day , come election time ,thats all that matters.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/snp-dominates-scotlands-political-landscape-ahead-may-elections

[Thomas]

My reaction is, I wish we had an English version of the SNP to turn this country around, like they've turned Scotland around. Oh well.

No you dont.

As i said before , you are extremely naive dyno.

The snp arent whiter than white , and are failing to enact the one single reason why most scots vote for them. You are pining for a political party that doesnt exist , and never will.

I could go on, but im not going to wash dirty laundry in public.

[Thomas]

Good for you - but it seems you receive £2000 per head  more than us so I heard just yesterday. No wonder you can gloat over so much free stuff. Presumably it's at our expense and still so many are not satisfied.

Im not sure how many time over the years we have been over this toots , but scotland gets more per head because we pay more per head in.

Since 1999 for example , for every pound westminster has taken from us , they have given us back 55p to spend on ourselves.

Apart from propping up the six county statelet in northern ireland , i  have yet to read about westmisnter subsidising one sinlge nation of the 63 that were part of the british empire.

Over a  two hundred year period , you extracted 45 trillion from india , depsite westminster accountants showing india with a deficit every single year. Scotland is just the latest country getting the accounting propaganda treatment.

[Borg Refinery]

Wassamatter can't you sleep?

Is that a leaning tower of PISA test question?

http://www.wasahall.co.uk/about-us/village/

[cromwell]

According to PISA tests, they scored above England wrt reading for most years - until recently(ish). And score around the OECD average in many others - Mostly above NI and Wales.

Still, best to treat them as if they're silly jocks who don't understand the difference between Cheshire and Merseyside. 

Wassamatter can't you sleep?

[Borg Refinery]

According to PISA tests, they scored above England wrt reading for most years - until recently(ish). And score around the OECD average in many others - Mostly above NI and Wales.

Still, best to treat them as if they're silly jocks who don't understand the difference between Cheshire and Merseyside. 

[Nick]

My reaction is, I wish we had an English version of the SNP to turn this country around

Have you seen the state of the education system in Scotland?

[Borg Refinery]

Not much happening on this Form re. Scotland so I thought I'd post the above graphic and see what kind of reaction it brings from all you English members

My reaction is, I wish we had an English version of the SNP to turn this country around, like they've turned Scotland around. Oh well.

Btw, for the benefit of others, Scotland is the net contributor.



"This came unexpectedly on 13 January 1997 when, in reply to a series of questions put by Alex Salmond (then an MP) to the Tory government of the day, Treasury minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979, or around £5,400 for every Scot – a statistic which received barely any media coverage.

Figures explode subsidy myth Scotland gave #27bn more than was received
...Exclusive CLINCHING evidence that there has been a huge net flow of funds from Scotland to the Treasury since 1979, came in an answer from the Government in the final hours of the old Parliament last Friday, the SNP will reveal today.
Not only do the latest figures destroy the last main argument against the suggestion that Scotland paid #27bn more than was received in public spending, they suggest that the actual figure was nearer to #31bn. Mr William Waldegrave, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, has been forced to concede figures in Commons questioning in recent months, which show that if Scotland's share of North Sea revenues had been allocated since 1979, then the net flow in favour of the Treasury from north of the Border ran to #27bn -"

http://archive.is/5Swry





More recently..

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-has-scotland-subsidised-the-rest-of-the-uk

^ Argument ender. When coupled with the higher revenues they would have had, had they properly nationalised their natural resources as I outline later on in this post*

The report that they would do perfectly if independent, which was covered up in the 1970's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCrone_report

*BTW if the N sea gas and oil was nationalized & theirs -

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"Norway has taken a different approach, with over 50 percent of production coming through Statoil (of which the state owns a majority) and state ownership of assets via the State Direct Financial Interest (SDFI), held through Petoro (wholly owned by the state). Norway generated more than double the revenue the U.K. did from each barrel it produced.""

https://resourcegovernance.org/blog/did-uk-miss-out-%C2%A3400-billion-worth-oil-revenue

That's a "QED" I think you'll find.

[Nick]

Not much happening on this Form re. Scotland so I thought I'd post the above graphic and see what kind of reaction it brings from all you English members

Not true.

Tuition fees are free for Scots, foreign students pay. Hence the reason Scottish students are less favourable to foreign students and find it harder to get places.

[morayloon]

Oops. Borchester caught you out with your SNP spin there. Well done, Borky.

In what way? It is a minimum 9% rise. The deal was for 9% over 3 years. It is one of the highest pay deals, outside MPs, negotiated recently