Change of heart.

[Sheepy]

Thats being pointed out many times, LPF and the dispute resolution has always been the real red lines. Either party could move on fishing as thats peanuts in the grand scheme of things

No, it hasn't, it has been covered up and now you know we know they have no choice but say it, like any fool you have to back what they say whatever they say.

[GerryT]

The problems have started already ports at a near standstill Honda pauses production:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55230469

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54908129

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55237791

In other car news I hear Sir James Radcliffe has cancelled it's new car manufacturing plant in Wales and is moving production to the EU. People aren't going to wait much longer before hitting their brexit contingency plan big red button.

[Sheepy]

From what I've read this morning, we need to make the decision now.
WTO from Jan 1 - get prepared, otherwise it's Tice/Farage for PM next time.

They are under the assumption the British people wouldn't vote Farage in, just like they thought, they could blag them over the EU and its real goals and its real meaning. I wouldn't bet on it.
They were given fair warning at the EU elections.

[GerryT]

Supercilious, arrogant Irishman again. Must think he's back towards the winning line.

? Hes giving an opinion and its based on fact.
1. Johnson came to Dublin and at that meeting the WA was agreed, that didn't follow a brexiteer line as it put a border down the middle of the UK.
2. Just yesterday the joint committee finalised the workings of the NI protocol. But Johnson decides to then use that opportunity to announce the IMB will have the offending clauses removed so the UK no longer will have the legal means to pull NI out of the agreed WA. Again this is something brexiteers are very unhappy with, a border in the UK and no deal in sight.

This demonstrates what V. Has said.
I think your annoyance is with V. Talking as an equal about Johnson, it seems you think the silly little Irish man should know his place. The cheek of him !

[papasmurf]

From what I've read this morning, we need to make the decision now.
WTO from Jan 1 - get prepared, otherwise it's Tice/Farage for PM next time.

The problems have started already ports at a near standstill Honda pauses production:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55230469

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54908129

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55237791

[GerryT]

Well who knew, out with it, oh I forgot I did.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-evolution-clause-is-biggest-issue-to-be-resolved-says-merkel/ar-BB1bLrAo?ocid=msedgntp

Thats being pointed out many times, LPF and the dispute resolution has always been the real red lines. Either party could move on fishing as thats peanuts in the grand scheme of things

[Barry]

Why anyone would even consider making deals with these people is quite beyond me.

From what I've read this morning, we need to make the decision now.
WTO from Jan 1 - get prepared, otherwise it's Tice/Farage for PM next time.

[Barry]

Well who knew, out with it, oh I forgot I did.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-evolution-clause-is-biggest-issue-to-be-resolved-says-merkel/ar-BB1bLrAo?ocid=msedgntp

Varadkar said: "Both sides have more to gain, and certainly more to salvage from an agreement over the next few days than we have to lose.

"Ultimately, it takes a little bit of politics at the end, and both sides to move a little bit at the end but I think that is possible...

"Is Boris Johnson willing to make concessions in those areas? I think he probably is. I think his natural instincts are actually much closer to the more liberal London mayor that he was than the more conservative Brexiteer.

"I think he wants Britain to be part of the world. I think he wants Britain to be seen as a country that is a first actor, one with high standards."

Supercilious, arrogant Irishman again. Must think he's back towards the winning line.

[Baff]

Well who knew, out with it, oh I forgot I did.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-evolution-clause-is-biggest-issue-to-be-resolved-says-merkel/ar-BB1bLrAo?ocid=msedgntp

Good to see the Germans haven't changed.
Sieg Heil Angela.
Chancellor for life.


Why anyone would even consider making deals with these people is quite beyond me.

[Sheepy]

Well who knew, out with it, oh I forgot I did.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-evolution-clause-is-biggest-issue-to-be-resolved-says-merkel/ar-BB1bLrAo?ocid=msedgntp

[Nick]

You left out my option
Couldn't vote but support the sane remain

Fortunately this was OUR decision, your opinion as always counts for squat on this.

[Barry]

You left out my option
Couldn't vote but support the sane remain

Funny that. Earlier today you said you are not a remainer, but we knew the truth. You are the biggest Euphile on the forum, closely followed by BeelBeBub.
Well done for helping keep the forummers entertained, Gerry!

[Sheepy]

No sovereign country gives over its fishing rights, they should never have been on the table, the EU has used them to get what it really wants, which is keeping as much control as possible and wear people down in the long run, it is what they do. Not just the EU politicians either, although they make an art of it, politicians in general bounce it between themselves all of the time, by dragging people down and with offers to build them back up for your vote. Not like it ever happens or only for short spurts then it is always back at square one. So do I think it was the right thing to vote for leaving, of course I do, I agree with the majority getting their backsides kicked time and time again becomes a bit of let-down, while all the problems they suffer associated with it wear on them more and more.

[T00ts]

As time has gone on I have become even more convinced that leaving the EU is essential for the future.

[Streetwalker]

No one has stated on masse, but those who now realise they are going be in the very deep poo early next year have.

I dont care and never have . The selfish who only care about themselves and not future generations I suppose voted remain  . Those who voted leave did so with the future of the nation in mind as  anyone could see it was not going to be  a bed of roses