If it's NO DEAL because of the fish issue - we would still like 12 months fish.

[Sheepy]

That's assuming the fishing quotas owned by foreign companies are EU based. That company need only register a UK company and dock his fleet in UK ports. Unless it's compulsory purchase orders, but that done in a discriminatory way would end up in court. Who's to say these boats don't all ready dock in UK waters and use UK fishermen as employees. Complicated I would think.
While I have little to no regard for alot of UK politicians, your legal systel still has a good reputation and I'm sure any such action if found illegal would be dealt with correctly.

LOL yeah but we still want control of your waters and legal system, which means we still control your laws and fishing waters. Laws can change.

[Borg Refinery]

That's assuming the fishing quotas owned by foreign companies are EU based. That company need only register a UK company and dock his fleet in UK ports. Unless it's compulsory purchase orders, but that done in a discriminatory way would end up in court. Who's to say these boats don't all ready dock in UK waters and use UK fishermen as employees. Complicated I would think.
While I have little to no regard for alot of UK politicians, your legal systel still has a good reputation and I'm sure any such action if found illegal would be dealt with correctly.

Indeed, many of them are UK based companies, that's true, and many are using leased trawlers from this country too - and other complicated arrangements such as using other types of front companies - but we can buy them off too. The compulsory purchasing would be less likely to end up in court if we leave the EU however (as in fully), as people are saying, but then there's the issue of retaliatory action from the EU in roundabout ways, as things like that probably won't be ignored. But I do think it's scandalous that our politicians sold off our quotas and then blamed the EU and others for this when it was their own doing.

Not really sure what the answer here is, but I don't think it's wise for any country to give away their fishing rights whoever it may be, certainly every EU country with a sea border should be in full control of its own fishing. It was yet another short-sighted action by our politicians, flogging off precious resources of ours and blaming others where they most likely got nice kickbacks in one form or another for selling us out.

Btw - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-fishing-industry-facing-big-job-losses-as-brexit-talks-stall-1.4420523

It looks like the Irish fishing industry is set to lose out massively in the event of No-Deal Brexit...

[GerryT]

Despite the national front newspaper comment which made me laugh, this isn't entirely correct Gerry, as you know I don't support any of their arguments but there is some legitimacy in pointing out that trawlers are 'invading' (gosh I love that word) our waters..

https://www.fishfarmermagazine.com/archive-2/dutch-trawler-ordered-to-pay-20k-for-illegal-fishing-in-uk-waters-fishupdate-com/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/spanish-fish-barons-admit-taking-illegal-catches-uk-waters-7964246.html

Let's face it, folks are competitive around the world - and will bend or break the rules to 'win', because that's just human nature. It's wrong whoever does it and I'm not endorsing the heroically stupid arguments of getting the navy to mess with relatively small scale fishing operations, but there is some issues with this.

It's pretty simple, the solutions usually aren't massively complicated as with most of these issues -

- Buy back the fishing quotas we allocated to foreign trawlers.

- Refund the coast guard so they can do their job properly.

- Stop blaming the EU for everything ever.

- Invest money into fishing in this country so that we can restore our fishing industry back to something resembling relative normality.

OF course none of that will happen, and we'll end up with people running around in circles as always, because that's exactly how everything works in this country.

That's assuming the fishing quotas owned by foreign companies are EU based. That company need only register a UK company and dock his fleet in UK ports. Unless it's compulsory purchase orders, but that done in a discriminatory way would end up in court. Who's to say these boats don't all ready dock in UK waters and use UK fishermen as employees. Complicated I would think.
While I have little to no regard for alot of UK politicians, your legal systel still has a good reputation and I'm sure any such action if found illegal would be dealt with correctly.

[GerryT]

Read it and weep Gerry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

I've replied on the other thread Nick

[Borg Refinery]

Sure 50% of UK quota is owned by "foreigners" so they will legally continue to fish in UK waters. That's UK quota not EU quota.

Despite the national front newspaper comment which made me laugh, this isn't entirely correct Gerry, as you know I don't support any of their arguments but there is some legitimacy in pointing out that trawlers are 'invading' (gosh I love that word) our waters..

https://www.fishfarmermagazine.com/archive-2/dutch-trawler-ordered-to-pay-20k-for-illegal-fishing-in-uk-waters-fishupdate-com/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/spanish-fish-barons-admit-taking-illegal-catches-uk-waters-7964246.html

Let's face it, folks are competitive around the world - and will bend or break the rules to 'win', because that's just human nature. It's wrong whoever does it and I'm not endorsing the heroically stupid arguments of getting the navy to mess with relatively small scale fishing operations, but there is some issues with this.

It's pretty simple, the solutions usually aren't massively complicated as with most of these issues -

- Buy back the fishing quotas we allocated to foreign trawlers.

- Refund the coast guard so they can do their job properly.

- Stop blaming the EU for everything ever.

- Invest money into fishing in this country so that we can restore our fishing industry back to something resembling relative normality.

OF course none of that will happen, and we'll end up with people running around in circles as always, because that's exactly how everything works in this country.

[Barry]

Oh, and no side deals, Angela.

[Sheepy]

Seems fair, no deal, but as long as we can have fishing rights and more money. LOL

[Nick]

Who was this, the national front news paper

Read it and weep Gerry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

[GerryT]

Where's Gerry when you need him?

The EU starting to crack: "The EU resisted calls from member states to publish contingency plans as it knew the UK would see them as palatable". 😂

Who was this, the national front news paper

[GerryT]

Where's Gerry when you need him?

The EU starting to crack: "The EU resisted calls from member states to publish contingency plans as it knew the UK would see them as palatable". 😂

Sure 50% of UK quota is owned by "foreigners" so they will legally continue to fish in UK waters. That's UK quota not EU quota.

[Nick]

Where's Gerry when you need him?

The EU starting to crack: "The EU resisted calls from member states to publish contingency plans as it knew the UK would see them as palatable". 😂

[papasmurf]

Let's face it deal or no deal EU trawlers will still invade our waters -

Actually it is only the French and Belgian fishermen likely to do that. The Spanish fishermen are too busy emptying the sea of fish off of Africa.
Also Bojo-The-Clown does not have to accept those EU contingency plans. He is just about to publish his own.

[T00ts]

Let's face it deal or no deal EU trawlers will still invade our waters - it will take Naval action to put a stop to it. They will do anything to intimidate us. They are not alone - even Putin is testing the waters on a regular basis.

[Barry]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2368

While the Commission will continue to do its utmost to reach a mutually beneficial agreement with the UK, there is now significant uncertainty whether a deal will be in place on 1 January 2021.

The European Commission has today put forward a set of targeted contingency measures ensuring basic reciprocal air and road connectivity between the EU and the UK, as well as allowing for the possibility of reciprocal fishing access by EU and UK vessels to each other's waters.

The aim of these contingency measures is to cater for the period during which there is no agreement in place. If no agreement enters into application, they will end after a fixed period.

President von der Leyen said: "Negotiations are still ongoing. However, given that the end of the transition is very near, there is no guarantee that if and when an agreement is found, it can enter into force on time. Our responsibility is to be prepared for all eventualities, including not having a deal in place with the UK on 1 January 2021. That is why we are coming forward with these measures today".

The Commission has consistently called on all stakeholders in all sectors to prepare for all possible scenarios on 1 January 2021. While a "no-deal" scenario will cause disruptions in many areas, some sectors would be disproportionately affected due to a lack of appropriate fall-back solutions and because in some sectors, stakeholders cannot themselves take mitigating measures. The Commission is therefore putting forward today four contingency measures to mitigate some of the significant disruptions that will occur on 1 January in case a deal with the UK is not yet in place:

Basic air connectivity: A proposal for a Regulation to ensure the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU for 6 months, provided the UK ensures the same.
Aviation safety: A proposal for a Regulation ensuring that various safety certificates for products can continue to be used in EU aircraft without disruption, thereby avoiding the grounding of EU aircraft.
Basic road connectivity: A proposal for a Regulation covering basic connectivity with regard to both road freight, and road passenger transport for 6 months, provided the UK assures the same to EU hauliers.
Fisheries: A proposal for a Regulation to create the appropriate legal framework until 31 December 2021, or until a fisheries agreement with the UK has been concluded – whichever date is earlier – for continued reciprocal access by EU and UK vessels to each other's waters after 31 December 2020. In order to guarantee the sustainability of fisheries and in light of the importance of fisheries for the economic livelihood of many communities, it is necessary to facilitate the procedures of authorisation of fishing vessels.
The Commission will work closely with the European Parliament and Council with a view to facilitate entry into application on 1 January 2021 of all four proposed Regulations.

Readiness and preparedness for 1 January 2021 is now more important than ever. Disruption will happen with or without an agreement between the EU and the UK on their future relationship. This is the natural consequence of the United Kingdom's decision to leave the Union and to no longer participate in the EU Single Market and Customs Union. The Commission has always been very clear about this.

Background
The United Kingdom left the European Union on 31 January 2020. At the time, both sides agreed on a transition period until 31 December 2020, during which EU law continues to apply to the UK. The EU and the UK are using this period to negotiate the terms of their future partnership. The outcome of these negotiations is uncertain.

The Withdrawal Agreement remains in force. It guarantees the rights of EU citizens in the UK, as well as our financial interests, and protects peace and stability on the island of Ireland, amongst many other things.

Public administrations, businesses, citizens and stakeholders on both sides need to prepare for the end of the transition period. The Commission has worked closely with EU Member States to inform citizens and businesses about the consequences of Brexit. It published almost 100 sectoral guidance notices – in all official EU languages – with detailed information on what administrations, businesses and citizens have to do to prepare for the changes at the end of the year.

Since July, the Commission has been carrying out a virtual "tour des capitales" to discuss Member States' readiness plans.

The Commission has also launched a number of awareness-raising campaigns and intensified its stakeholder outreach over recent months. It provided training and guidance to Member State administrations, and will continue to organise sectoral seminars with all Member States at technical level, to help fine-tune the implementation of readiness measures, in particular in the areas of border checks for persons and goods.