Testing healthy people makes no sense - oh and do not blame the plebs!

[papasmurf]

On Sky news this morning it was reported that 40 long covid clinics have been opened. The guesstimate is half a million people so far affected with varying duration of symptoms.

Patients thus far have been fobbed off since doctors had little idea how to treat them but the new clinics will specialise in these cases. This links back to my post yesterday where I pointed out that long covid could be with many for some time. I think we must recognise that it isn't just a case of death or complete cure, and it hits fit healthy youngsters too.

It is possible to buy a lung function test peak flow meter and an Oximeter for a total of a around £30.
I have had both for years.
The readings from those should get a doctors attention.

[T00ts]

On Sky news this morning it was reported that 40 long covid clinics have been opened. The guesstimate is half a million people so far affected with varying duration of symptoms.

Patients thus far have been fobbed off since doctors had little idea how to treat them but the new clinics will specialise in these cases. This links back to my post yesterday where I pointed out that long covid could be with many for some time. I think we must recognise that it isn't just a case of death or complete cure, and it hits fit healthy youngsters too.

[Sheepy]

I guess Smurfy is chewing his arm off for now. 

[Borchester]

Its more like Father Jack is his cousin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI-WRb2u4po

[DeppityDawg]

I am sure the people who are currently working on the lies, damned lies and Covid-19 statistics will do their best to convince us otherwise.

You know that Chris Whitty has got a face you never grow tired of punching.

[DeppityDawg]

Is Father Christmas your cousin?

Its more like Father Jack is his cousin.

[T00ts]

It's got a long way to go yet to catch up with that!
Spanish flu killed around 2.7% of the world population, which was about 1.8 billion at the time.
CV-19 is currently at 0.02% of the world population which is about 7.8 billion now.
That is 135 times less deadly.

I am sure the people who are currently working on the lies, damned lies and Covid-19 statistics will do their best to convince us otherwise.

I don't trust your statistics. I find it hard to believe that we have any complete idea of how many deaths there have so far been worldwide. The Spanish flu deaths were an estimate only. For starters there are grave doubts on China's numbers. Even here we are constantly told that numbers have been missed. How do we expect those countries without the benefit of our IT to manage the numbers? Add to that the countries who have not admitted infections.

Equally there seems to be little mention of ongoing health impacts.  If the pictures I have seen just of lung damage are anything to go on it would suggest that the problems will be ongoing over decades. This will not be too noticeable initially to most people apart from perhaps loss of energy/strength. Lungs do not repair so damage will only get worse as patients get older. I would imagine that the health professionals are only too aware of this. The potential cost over the next decades would be phenomenal.

I don't know the full truth any more than anyone else but it seems to me that governments worldwide would not be reacting to this particular virus in the way they are if it was no different to simple flu. I could be wrong of course but no more than any other point of view here.

That is an excellent point, because it took 50 years off those young lives.
Whereas CV-19 takes around 10 years at the most off old lives.
Which makes it 135 x 5 times more deadly (675 times) than this rather wimpy Chinese Cough.

I don't see that you have any basis for that assumption. You are basing it only on current knowledge. There is no way of knowing what damage is being done to young people or what the future holds for them. I was not made aware of the lung damage I have until I reached my mid 40's. I have needed medication ever since.  It could be assumed that the same would be true for many of today's youth who experience covid.

[Barry]

"Spanish" flu killed young people.

That is an excellent point, because it took 50 years off those young lives.
Whereas CV-19 takes around 10 years at the most off old lives.
Which makes it 135 x 5 times more deadly (675 times) than this rather wimpy Chinese Cough.

[papasmurf]

It's got a long way to go yet to catch up with that!
Spanish flu killed around 2.7% of the world population, which was about 1.8 billion at the time.
CV-19 is currently at 0.02% of the world population which is about 7.8 billion now.
That is 135 times less deadly.

I am sure the people who are currently working on the lies, damned lies and Covid-19 statistics will do their best to convince us otherwise.

"Spanish" flu killed young people.

[Barry]

No doubt it will be a matter of time until we see if this virus has come close or outdone the Spanish flu,

It's got a long way to go yet to catch up with that!
Spanish flu killed around 2.7% of the world population, which was about 1.8 billion at the time.
CV-19 is currently at 0.02% of the world population which is about 7.8 billion now.
That is 135 times less deadly.

I am sure the people who are currently working on the lies, damned lies and Covid-19 statistics will do their best to convince us otherwise.

[Borchester]

Is Father Christmas your cousin? 

Dunno, but I reckon that over the years he has brought more fun into my family than any government, so if fat bum hopes to keep my vote he can cut down on the lectures

[T00ts]

No it ain't. The first duty of government is to stay in power and if fatty keeps coming on the telly and bragging that he is going to cancel Christmas he won't be around much longer.

Is Father Christmas your cousin? 

[Borchester]

Aren't you making it more political than it is? Government has a first responsibility to protect.

No it ain't. The first duty of government is to stay in power and if fatty keeps coming on the telly and bragging that he is going to cancel Christmas he won't be around much longer.

[T00ts]

The PCR test is unreliable. In fact, it's about as reliable as the government, led by Boris.
Anyone who trusts this bunch of Tories is a fool.

Aren't you making it more political than it is? Government has a first responsibility to protect. They have given rules but are stressing that they are not a goal. They are asking us all to have as much common sense as possible, not for their good, but ours. It seems to me that the NHS is calling for more personal responsibility as much as anyone. It's true that many, possibly most, will heed the warnings and be guided by them, but as is usual guidance has to be designed for the lowest common denominator. Those who deny any sickness outside of the usual norms. No doubt it will be a matter of time until we see if this virus has come close or outdone the Spanish flu, but I can't help feeling that to blame one party more than another is counter productive to us all.

[Barry]

Meanwhile, Macron and Pedro Sanchez continue to pretend they can control the virus with politics.