All British Coronavirus

[HDQQ]

outmoded template of political thinking?

Says the man who by his own admission was once a liberal , and the liberals got humped in recent lections , their leader taken out , and their brexit dream shattered by the public not agreeing with your outmoded political thinking.

you are a small voice of a small political party that is nothing more than a tiny pressure group in the grand scheme of things.

You have been , and remain , one of the most ridiculed posters on this forum and its predecessor that i have ever witnessed.

How many times has you outmoded political thinking led you to predict events wrong? I have lost count!

I'm only "one of the most ridiculed posters on these forums" because I hold moderate slightly left-of-centre views on most things while the majority of posters are on the far-right - including yourself.

[BeElBeeBub]

No confusion.

The government have done a poor job.  They could have saved more lives and caused less economic harm if they had taken CV seriously from the start.

Of course it they had done precisely zero (as some morons think we should have done) then the death toll would have been higher, around 600k deaths and that's assuming the health system didn't collapse.

So the government has performed better than the dire scenario of 600k+ deaths and the attendant economic (not to mention social and mental health) damage.

But that a pretty low bar to clear.

Measured against what we known is possible (S.Korea, Japan, Australia, NZ etc) the UK has done appallingly.

In fairness many European countries and the US have underperformed to a greater or lesser extent.

If the UK had done a good job we'd be looking at 5k or 10k deaths and all preparing to go out for NYE after having had a nice Christmas with out grandparents/kids.

[Thomas]

Your outmoded template of political thinking just won't fit the current situation.

outmoded template of political thinking?

Says the man who by his own admission was once a liberal , and the liberals got humped in recent lections , their leader taken out , and their brexit dream shattered by the public not agreeing with your outmoded political thinking.

you are a small voice of a small political party that is nothing more than a tiny pressure group in the grand scheme of things.

You have been , and remain , one of the most ridiculed posters on this forum and its predecessor that i have ever witnessed.

How many times has you outmoded political thinking led you to predict events wrong? I have lost count!

[HDQQ]

Of course it bloody well will. Saving the economy means having the money to prop up even such a pit of financial incompetence as the NHS.

Your outmoded template of political thinking just won't fit the current situation.

[Borchester]

Saving lives is surely the top priority. Saving the NHS will help save lives, saving the economy won't save any lives.

Of course it bloody well will. Saving the economy means having the money to prop up even such a pit of financial incompetence as the NHS.

[HDQQ]

No, it's the gov "saving the NHS" whilst completely trashing the economy, which pays for the NHS, thereby reducing our ability to pay for the NHS.

Saving lives is surely the top priority. Saving the NHS will help save lives, saving the economy won't save any lives.

[Barry]

Dont know whats worse about this virus , the reality of it or the hysteria being spread by doomongers like beelbeeb and their chinese whispers.

No, it's the gov "saving the NHS" whilst completely trashing the economy, which pays for the NHS, thereby reducing our ability to pay for the NHS.

[Thomas]

If you exclude "unnatural causes" like murder, drug overdose, suicide etc. then Covid is the 2nd biggest "natural" (disease) cause of death for every age group from 20 up.  It is only beaten by Heart disease (just) and in the 35-50yo Liver disease (again just).

sure , why dont we spin the figures to exclude everything we can think of to present covid in the most hysterical limelight possible?

In one of the towns local to me , i was being told people were dropping like flies , and how not to go anywhere near the place. Figures were being punted about in the local media to back up the hysteria.

No one i knew locally knew anyone else with the virus , until i found out the big explosion in covid cases wasnt inthe local general popualtion , but in a few of the local care homes among the elderly.

You should have been a third rate accountant beelbeeb , you would have been great at spinning tax returns.

And that's with huge efforts to cut down on infections and deaths.  If we hadn't done this Covid would likely have killed more people than all the other causes put together.

So have governments done a good job or not?

Im confused beelbeeb.

Here you insinuate govenrment have done a good job cutting down deaths with all the measures introduced locally and nationally by government agencies , then when it suits , scotand and the uk is the worst place on earth where they have let people die by the thousand.

The death rate globally is less than 1 %. The vast vast majority who catch this virus , like most other viruses , dont die.

You have been one of the biggest cheerleaders pushing hysteria about covid on this forum , as you have been for four years about brexit.

Hystrics always get hysterical no matter the subject.

Of course the under 60 age groups don't have very high death rates at all and the majority of deaths in younger groups (like the 20-35) are "man made" eg suicide. In any normal year the majority of deaths are of the over 60's.

No shit beelbeeb?

Old people die , and are more susceptible to death than the young?

Who knew?

It might come as a surprise to you beelbeeb , but none of us are immortal , and we are all going to die one way or the other. No one is suggesting inviting death to call early , but at the same time , perspective has to overcome hysteria  and fantasy.

I remain of the view covid 19 is real , and people are right to be concerned , but the reaction to it has been way over the top , and the hysteria , much of it politically fuelled , is disgracefull.

I wont be in the least surprised when we come out of this if the lock down "cure" and loss of freedom has killed and damaged more than the virus once we rake over the coals in years to come.

[Borchester]

In any normal year the majority of deaths are of the over 60's.

Exactly Betty. I am 74 and reckon that I have to die of something, so it might as well be the Kung Flu, but why do you have to take all the fun out of it?

[BeElBeeBub]

If you exclude "unnatural causes" like murder, drug overdose, suicide etc. then Covid is the 2nd biggest "natural" (disease) cause of death for every age group from 20 up.  It is only beaten by Heart disease (just) and in the 35-50yo Liver disease (again just).

And that's with huge efforts to cut down on infections and deaths.  If we hadn't done this Covid would likely have killed more people than all the other causes put together.

Of course the under 60 age groups don't have very high death rates at all and the majority of deaths in younger groups (like the 20-35) are "man made" eg suicide. In any normal year the majority of deaths are of the over 60's.

[Thomas]

. So I offered to go over and breath on them and make them live forever and that noise you just heard was not thunder but the sound of several hundred Yank anuses snapping shut. 

Is that no because cnn or other yank news channels have a picture of that italian hospital from march on a loop replaying it over and over while trying to pass it off as a new york hospital?

No wonder the yanks are terrified.

I was terrified of the virus myself coming on here listening to pappy about all the plague carriers and doped up hippies going to cornwall and killing the over eighties in the local cornish socialist wokers party club , till i read cornwall was put onto the lowest covid level in the whole of the yookay , and i thought , i fink pappy is pulling my feckin leg here.

[Thomas]

They are good folk, but terrified of this bug and think that the UK is a veritable plague pit.

very interesting point borkie that again is evidence of the chinese whispers regarding covid 19.

You go into some of the local towns  , and before you go there people are saying  " oh i wouldnt go there , folk are dying like flies and the virus is rampant."

so i go into the town , and speak to folk i know , and say "everything all right?how is everyone ?"

"aye fine . No problems!" " dont know anyone who has the virus"

one guy said to me his neighbour had it  , but wasnt bad at all , and his wife never  even tested positive.

Must be like that nationally. yanks think we are riddled with it , we think the chinkies are riddled with it , but meanwhile , we arent hearing a thing about poorer nations with little or no health service.

Like i said , rumour as ever is worse than reality , helped on by media hysteria and their helpers like beelbeeb and pappy.

[Borchester]

I almost agree.

We will never be able to conclusively know where the "British Variant" arose.  Maybe it was the UK, maybe somewhere else.

It has been pointed out the UK has particularly effective monitoring of strains (and chance meant we were better placed to track it) so it may be an example that we were simply the first to identify it.

Unfortunately none of that matters and this was almost inevitably going to end up being called "the British Variant" or some variation (boom boom) thereof.

We may even get unluckily stuck as the general moniker for all high transmission variants even if they didn't emerge in the UK (see the variant identified in SA).

And so "the Chinese flu" will become "the British Variant" and maybe some of those here enthusiastically calling in "china virus" or "kung flu" will realise what it feels like when your nationality becomes tied to a disease.

Or maybe not.

All a bit unfortunate.

For Christ's sake give it a rest Betty.

I know you mean well but you take all the fun out of an epidemic.

[Borchester]

Average age of those who died after testing positive for coronavirus in scotland is 79 years old.

Average life expectancy for a man in scotland is 77 years old. Dont forget in glasgow the average life expectancy for a man under the old labour council was 58 years old , one of the worst if not the worst in the western world.

Covid people are living longer than ordinary folk in glasgow and scotland.

unbelievable.

Oh Christ don't 

I posted something similar on an American website. They are good folk, but terrified of this bug and think that the UK is a veritable plague pit. So I offered to go over and breath on them and make them live forever and that noise you just heard was not thunder but the sound of several hundred Yank anuses snapping shut. 

[Thomas]

And so "the Chinese flu" will become "the British Variant" and maybe some of those here enthusiastically calling in "china virus" or "kung flu" will realise what it feels like when your nationality becomes tied to a disease.

sorry beelbeeb , you really are delusional. Most folk couldnt give a feck and those that do will simply go into siege mentality.

You must be totally insulated from the rest of humanity if you cant see the rising wave of anger, depression ,and complete skepticism of people regarding the chinese sniffles.

Moaning or trying to point score over a new variant allegedly arising in the garden of england or the middens of govan isnt going to change a feckin thing.

I like the kung flu though. Thats sounds a good one.