Some lite reading.

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GerryT

Quote from: Sheepy on December 28, 2020, 08:03:05 PM
LOL well I howled with laughter, surely you weren't expecting little Gerry turning up with and saying I respect people who have the courage of their convictions. Who have followed it through until the end?
I have little respect for a minority that are hell bent on causing damage to its neighbours but more importantly destroying the lives of many UK citizens.

Thomas



QuoteYou implied it, the UK can do what it wants..only domestically..not internationally.

no i didnt. I said no treaty is unbreakable. this is another lie
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GerryT

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:38:02 PMA word of british origin?

What a strange thing to say...there is as all the world knows , especially in ireland , not such language as british. We speak , as do you , engllish.

Dont you mean a word of english origin ?
No, exactly what I meant, not of british (England/Wales/Scotland/NI) origin. I never said british was a language. Typical, seldom addressing the point, preferring to pick up on stupid irrelevance like this or maybe you want to go on about where I come from. I don't particularly mind, I know when you do that you've conceded the substantive issue anyway.

GerryT

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:31:40 PMim not misquoting you. You were on the old forum going mental earlier this year about johnson breaking an unbreakable agreement which you readily admitted he was easily capable of doing , regading brexit and northern ireland , now you backtrack and claim the uk parliament can't( until the next one steps up ready to break an an unbreakbale agreement. )
The eu has already accepted the principle of international law being unable to override national law in catalonia so what are you talking about? All dragged out and discussed before.
So you weren't misquoting me as you were answering a question from 2yrs ago.
Backtrack ?? no backtrack, if you want to substitute Johnson with UK Govt you can. The point stands. The current UK Govt cannot bind any future UK Govt or Johnson if that suits you better. But that only applies to local UK laws. But with international treaties the UK can't make a unilateral change. That's very simple but you don't seem to grasp the simple. Johnson did threaten to break an international agreement in the WA, but he didn't did he.  If he had there would have been serious re-percussion. The UK can break all it's internal laws and there is no repercussion unless of course you count that Govt could be thrown out in favour of a new one that will just re-instate the law they tried to abandon. In effect the only local laws that change are ones the people want changing.
You can bang on about the treaty broken in IRL all you want, but it doesn't equate and you know it. People given a choice of death or sign doesn't constitute a treaty, especially during a war between the two countries where one is fighting for freedom. Thomas you need to try harder, much much harder. 

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:31:40 PMevery unbreakable law in history has an excuse , in this case its the poor oppressed irish being killed. You signed an unbreakable agreement  , it was passed into an act of parliament and you broke it later. A clear example of the utter cac you talk.
No we didn't, we were an invaded free country by an aggressive force that said sign or die. Hardly what anyone would call an agreement. As you say your talking cac, but let me run with it.
Under your logic the UK signs this new trade deal, in 6mts it suddenly realises just like the WA that its a bad deal for the UK. So it unilaterally decides to abandon the deal. The EU retaliates and imposes not only tariffs but export duties and closes all travel in/out of the EU with the UK, the UK then decides to, well nothing really, it's fuc*ed. We've seen 3 days with a couple of ports closed and the UK is flying in fruit and veg. Picture what 2yrs of that would do to the UK.
That is not what is meant by no UK Govt can bind a future one, we all know a govt can go North Korea if it wants, but that's not something to be proud of. I can picture it now, Heil Johnson has the UK under military rule with gun boat escorts bringing in cornmeal from Africa to feed the starving masses. Is that the glorious future, the UK with zero International trust. My advise if thats your understanding of what countries can do then don't sign any trade deals.
It sounds like you want to go back to a time when countries invade each other non stop, and again I know this does happen but not so much in the western world and not to the extent that I'm talking about before you go twisting what I say again.

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:31:40 PMi havent said any of this. Shouldnt it be the other way around, ireland and the labour party threatening the uk with war and gunboats , or should that be currachs full of poiteen , if the uk breaks a treaty that cannot be broken in gerrys world?
Well then what is it when you san any future Govt can do what it wants, can you explain how that works in regards to say this new trade deal with the EU, what would happen if the UK just did what it wanted and broke international law.

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:31:40 PMDont talk cac , i havent said any of this , and i havent said a third party couldnt "try" and enforce repercussions. I simply said no treaty in history is unbreakable.
You implied it, the UK can do what it wants..only domestically..not internationally. Nothing is impossibly by that logic, Arsenal beats Man City winning the FA cup but Man City kills the Arsenal captain and take off with the Cup claiming they won. That's your logic. The UK CAN NOT REWRITE AN INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT UNILATERALLY.




Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:31:40 PMfrom the scottish yes movement?
Are you inventing lies yet again?
The snp and wider yes movement were against the WA  , as being bad for scotland so what are you talkking about?
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Brexit: SNP makes last-ditch bid to stop Boris Johnson's EU withdrawal bill becoming law

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-snp-boris-johnson-eu-withdrawal-bill-scotland-a9295586.html

you are a compulsive liar gerry  ,and about as machiavellian as a two year old child with less cunning.
What the hell are you talking about. You said "The yes movement hasnt been ecstatic about anything in this feckin union since 2014". I said they were and went on to outline the celebration over the WA -- oven ready and all that. Your barking up some mad tree.

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:31:40 PMwhere did i misquote you?
Would you stop, your always at it. The above has a couple of good examples, answer questions from 2yrs ago and then banging on about some nonsense about the SNP.

Thomas

Quote from: T00ts on December 28, 2020, 09:02:59 PM
I am trying so hard not to feel vindicated. Late night talks, dinners galore, slanging matches and then the ultimate, the fat lady sang long and hard! In the end only one thing really mattered.

you should feel vindicated toots.

Lets be clear , gerry has sat on our forums talking cac about brexit for the last few years. In fact talking cac about a lot more than brexit.

Everything he has predicted , right up to this thread has been proved to be absolute rubbish non stop.

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T00ts

Quote from: Nick on December 28, 2020, 08:44:17 PMOh and Gerry, 11th hour deal that the EU was never going to do. 😂

I am trying so hard not to feel vindicated. Late night talks, dinners galore, slanging matches and then the ultimate, the fat lady sang long and hard! In the end only one thing really mattered.

Thomas

Quote from: Nick on December 28, 2020, 08:44:17 PM


Oh and Gerry, 11th hour deal that the EU was never going to do. 😂

Gerrys porkie pies starting tocatch up with him by the dozen.

His latest wan about a quickly ratified deal that cant ever be changed forever and ever seems to be dissappearing quicker than snaw aff a dyke on the costa del govan.

Thats the trouble wae these highly intelligent machiavellian types , far too intelligent for the likes of us mere plebs.
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Nick

Quote from: GerryT on December 28, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
Poor borkey has trouble reading. Did you see the example of how Canada and USA get on. The much larger party to the agreement basically telling the smaller how things will be. Suggesting this is how the EU/UK may unfold. Personally I doubt it as the EU is not the bullying sort. The final point of the article if you could understand was that IRL being part of the EU is now the stronger party of the EU/UK relationship, turning hundreds of yrs of UK dominance over our country. Most Irish people would understand the significance.Viceroy-such a British thing. (no schooling I know it's not a word of british origin.

You are aware that the UK is the EU's largest trading partner now Gerry?

And now we have a deal it will be a shoe in that the US is going to deal with the UK. The guess what! The EU won't be our biggest trading partner.

Oh and Gerry, 11th hour deal that the EU was never going to do. 😂
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Thomas

Quote from: GerryT on December 28, 2020, 12:57:39 PM
Well I for one think everyone should stop scrutinising the deal and sign it. Get it ratified on both sides and move on.

Gerry talking more cac about rushing deal through unscrutinised...


QuoteNEW: I understand that the European Parliament may wait until MARCH before holding a vote to ratify the Brexit trade deal.
MEPs are keen to enjoy "decent scrutiny" of the 1,246-page document, according to one source..

Let me reiterate - this doesn't hold up the deal coming into effect on January 1st. But it could make for an interesting political spectacle if cracks have appeared by March...

https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1343607695543328773

Farage calling for parliament to have time to scrutinise johnsons deal as well...

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1343648883541504000
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Thomas

Quote from: cromwell on December 28, 2020, 06:11:48 PM
Cobblers......as Thomas has already pointed out.

as ever cromwell.

Where would we be though without gerrys cunning and political nous with a bit of the old cobblers thrown in ?

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Thomas

Quote from: Borchester on December 28, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
I think that I have mentioned this before but is that so bad Tommy?

Not at all borkie , i think gerry deserves a big massive round of applause for keeping brexiters failing spirits up over the last four years in the face of all that anti democratic remain actions in england.

You couldnt have done it without him.
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Thomas

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Borchester

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 07:15:28 PM
Gerry and his friends in british labour are  far too machiavellian for us borkie.

I think that I have mentioned this before but is that so bad Tommy? Was not Machiavelli ultimately tortured, disgraced and only able to find employment as the pub bore?

I wish Gerry nothing but the best, but he can't say that he has not been warned  :)
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Sheepy

Quote from: Thomas on December 28, 2020, 08:06:02 PM
i fink gerry has followed through a few times since 2016 sheep.

What do you think of this tweet ?

https://twitter.com/BrexitBrit/status/1343478418822852608

to be honest he is spot on isnt he sheep ............ That adonis is a feckin wee labour party creep. can't stand the man.
To be honest Thomas I stopped caring what they thought long ago, when I realised the lunatics were running the asylum for at least 50years.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Thomas

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