Polls and predicted seats

[Ciaphas]

That is has since before referendum. Cameron made the dreadful mistake of making it a simple majority outcome. It should have specified something like 60% of the electorate needed.

The real issue is the absence of a plan which left the process completely rudderless. The referendum should only have ever been advertised as an opinion survey, not a deciding vote.



Cameron just never expected to lose.

[Ciaphas]

Yes your stance is





No they didn't want brexit because they want to  remain





Oh you mean a second referendum because they didn't like the result of the first







You mean implement the result as democracy requires



Probably because of those who never accepted the result and only believe in democracy when they get their own way.

You have just proved my point.



If someone doesn't share your vision of Brexit then you file them away in the remainer category irrespective of whether or not they support Brexit.



Confirmatory referendums are an entirely sensible way of checking if the electorate want to continue with a particular course of action once it's final form has been confirmed.



Of course the withdrawal agreement is just the start of a very long process and the public have no idea what they are agreeing too in the long run if they are asked to vote on whether or not they support.



I find it remarkable how little attention is given to the fact that there is very little in the way of concrete goals for post-Brexit UK and, if the Conservatives secure a large and obedient majority, no way to readily hold the government to account in regards to it's actual post-Brexit intentions.

[papasmurf]

Brexit has been a massive cock-up from the outset.

That is has since before referendum. Cameron made the dreadful mistake of making it a simple majority outcome. It should have specified something like 60% of the electorate needed.

[cromwell]

Nonsense.

Yes your stance is

Labour and some Conservative MP's opposed the government because they didn't want a no deal or hard Brexit, not because they didn't want Brexit. Labour still wants to negotiate it's own soft Brexit

No they didn't want brexit because they want to  remain

and hold a confirmatory referendum.

Oh you mean a second referendum because they didn't like the result of the first

The government has and continues to reap the rewards of trying to impliment their preferred hard version of Brexit without the numbers in parliament to do so.

You mean implement the result as democracy requires

Brexit has been a massive cock-up from the outset.

Probably because of those who never accepted the result and only believe in democracy when they get their own way.

[Ciaphas]

You must live in a parallel universe,we are still in the eu because remain have connived and blocked from day one attempts to leave.

Nonsense.



Labour and some Conservative MP's opposed the government because they didn't want a no deal or hard Brexit, not because they didn't want Brexit. Labour still wants to negotiate it's own soft Brexit and hold a confirmatory referendum.



The government has and continues to reap the rewards of trying to impliment their preferred hard version of Brexit without the numbers in parliament to do so.



Brexit has been a massive cock-up from the outset.

[Barry]

You must live in a parallel universe,we are still in the eu because remain have connived and blocked from day one attempts to leave.

Exactly right.  :hattip

[cromwell]

That old canard again.



The UK is still in the EU because leavers can't agree what they want and the government has repeatedly sought to exclude parliament from the process.

You must live in a parallel universe,we are still in the eu because remain have connived and blocked from day one attempts to leave.

[Ciaphas]

Polls are only an indication in my opinion on anything, in this GE some postal votes may not get there in time due to a possible Post Office strike, voters may well stay at home as usual lots of people eligible to vote don't bother to cast their vote anyway,  bad weather may keep many away.



Plus I think that after over three years of the disgrace farce and nonsense that has gone on in Parliament many may just say enough is enough they are not worth bothering with especially those who voted to leave and where dismissed out of hand by many MP's

That old canard again.



The UK is still in the EU because leavers can't agree what they want and the government has repeatedly sought to exclude parliament from the process.

[Churchill]

Polls are only an indication in my opinion on anything, in this GE some postal votes may not get there in time due to a possible Post Office strike, voters may well stay at home as usual lots of people eligible to vote don't bother to cast their vote anyway,  bad weather may keep many away.



Plus I think that after over three years of the disgrace farce and nonsense that has gone on in Parliament many may just say enough is enough they are not worth bothering with especially those who voted to leave and where dismissed out of hand by many MP's

[papasmurf]

Anyone who thinks they can predict the outcome of the General Election is deluded.

[Borchester]

According to this chap..



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the current state of the parties in the polls and their predicted seats is a Tory majority of 114 seats...





CON              39.7%      382

LAB          29.0%       185

LIB         15.6%            20

Brexit             7.8%               0

Green       2.8%             1

SNP               3.2%          42

PlaidC       0.6%        2

UKIP               0.4%         0

Other       0.8%           0

DUP                      9

SF                     7

Alliance                  1

NI Other                  1





Pov 2019 to 09 Nov 2019, sampling 8,210 people.