Reason To Take Vaccine

[Sheepy]

This is all rather more interesting than whether Boris said Jack S..
I overestimated the width of the body, underestimated the mass of the fatties and I also forgot to work out the reduction in g according to height. But either way it's a big ugly mess, and illustrates why it's better to have a few open fires in Delhi creating ashes. No one needs a pile of corpses.

I am sure Scott will be along later to tell us there are already a growing number of medical professionals who have worked out, there very many reasons not to take the vaccine. Apparently, those who have had the vaccine can cause adverse effects in those who haven't. 

[Barry]

This is all rather more interesting than whether Boris said Jack S..
I overestimated the width of the body, underestimated the mass of the fatties and I also forgot to work out the reduction in g according to height. But either way it's a big ugly mess, and illustrates why it's better to have a few open fires in Delhi creating ashes. No one needs a pile of corpses.

[Borchester]

Quite a few were obese so if you allow 2 feet per body, 70,000 feet - 13 and 1/4 miles.
However the pressure at the bottom of the pile would be 35,000 x 140 divided by 6x12x12 lbs/sq inch (5671 LB/Sq inch) about 2.5 tons per square inch
Borchester will confirm my maths, I can do it in Kg/Sq cm if you like. 

I have just come out of hospital and and so tanked up on drugs that I can't count up to 21 without taking my trousers off. So I will go with Barry's figures.

Except, speaking as the forum's resident fattie, would not the depth of a prone body be more like 15 inches than 2 feet?

[johnofgwent]

Quite a few were obese so if you allow 2 feet per body, 70,000 feet - 13 and 1/4 miles.
However the pressure at the bottom of the pile would be 35,000 x 140 divided by 6x12x12 lbs/sq inch (5671 LB/Sq inch) about 2.5 tons per square inch
Borchester will confirm my maths, I can do it in Kg/Sq cm if you like. 

What's that 140 ? If you're relying on obesity the weight in pounds is a damn sight more than 10 stone.


I suspect the pile would he about one third as high caused by compression...

[Barry]

I was thinking, how high would a pile of 35,000 bodies reach?

Quite a few were obese so if you allow 2 feet per body, 70,000 feet - 13 and 1/4 miles.
However the pressure at the bottom of the pile would be 35,000 x 140 divided by 6x12x12 lbs/sq inch (5671 LB/Sq inch) about 2.5 tons per square inch
Borchester will confirm my maths, I can do it in Kg/Sq cm if you like. 

[Sheepy]

No they don't.

If it was a 100%, world wide lockdown then well, maybe. But otherwise that is us all well f**ked. Right now, if I have a serious session where I happily spray snot on all and sundry, there is a good chance that some of it will reach you. And because those bloody silly masks only work for bacteria and are no use against the Chinese flu which is a virus, you will probably have a similar fit and honk enough to give your mates in Brittany a dose.

This lockdown lark is like the old days where folk tore up the bedsheets and boiled water. Waste of time but it gave people the sense that they were doing something.

I was thinking, how high would a pile of 35,000 bodies reach?

[patman post]

They never have piled high, have they? Undertakers were never under severe pressure and funerals were only slightly delayed as they are in the winter rushes.
Whatever you say, Pat, whatever you say. Keep supporting the government and their SAGE inspired science.

Winter rushes, or bull rushes, the UK experienced a surge after the Summer relaxation, but re-imposing lockdown kept the infection rate down.
I'm generally a Conservative supporter, though I think Johnson's govt was wrong in initially ignoring Covid's danger and was late in introducing restrictions and recommendations. Johnson's gamble of splurging billions on vaccine orders has paid off both politically for him and healthwise for the UK. I'm happy Sage personnel appear to agree with and support what I understand from other informed sources...

[Barry]

I've donned my wellies, so I'll step in among the copious piles of sheep droppings to pose a question: Are you one of those who'd rather let the bodies pile high in their thousands than impose lock downs?

They never have piled high, have they? Undertakers were never under severe pressure and funerals were only slightly delayed as they are in the winter rushes.

Lock downs work. And so do vaccines, but they don't cancel the need for lock downs until at least 60% of populations in the more crowded regions have been vaccinated to provide some herd immunity. Even then, 70% is generally thought a preferable proportion — and the UK is not even at 50%.
Why do I believe this? It's the general opinion expressed in the number of scientific and business journals I read in my working life, and I pay more attention to them for factual information.   
Political commentary and journalism, on the other hand, just indicates the political actions and decisions that are likely, not the most beneficial...

Whatever you say, Pat, whatever you say. Keep supporting the government and their SAGE inspired science.

[patman post]

Neither is true.  Explain Florida and Sweden.  The fact is the virus peaked last year, then became like any other flu.

I'm not familiar with Florida or Sweden other than newspapers reported Sweden initially ignored the general line on Covid.
In the UK, flu was much less over the 2020-21 winter due to the Covid restrictions and the increase in flu vaccination from September on...

[patman post]

No they don't.

If it was a 100%, world wide lockdown then well, maybe. But otherwise that is us all well f**ked. Right now, if I have a serious session where I happily spray snot on all and sundry, there is a good chance that some of it will reach you. And because those bloody silly masks only work for bacteria and are no use against the Chinese flu which is a virus, you will probably have a similar fit and honk enough to give your mates in Brittany a dose.

This lockdown lark is like the old days where folk tore up the bedsheets and boiled water. Waste of time but it gave people the sense that they were doing something.

I'll stick with what I understand from the reports carried by the journals I read — ie, nothing will guarantee 100% protection from Covid-19, but lockdowns, mask wearing, hand washing, social distancing, etc, vaccines each add to the protection sum.
For that reason, I do all that's recommended where it's possible, and will probably continue to do so until several weeks after I've/we've been vaccinated and the country fully opens up — whichever comes later...

[Scott777]

Lock downs work. And so do vaccines,

Neither is true.  Explain Florida and Sweden.  The fact is the virus peaked last year, then became like any other flu.

[Borchester]

Lock downs work.

No they don't.

If it was a 100%, world wide lockdown then well, maybe. But otherwise that is us all well fucked. Right now, if I have a serious session where I happily spray snot on all and sundry, there is a good chance that some of it will reach you. And because those bloody silly masks only work for bacteria and are no use against the Chinese flu which is a virus, you will probably have a similar fit and honk enough to give your mates in Brittany a dose.

This lockdown lark is like the old days where folk tore up the bedsheets and boiled water. Waste of time but it gave people the sense that they were doing something.

[patman post]

It makes me angry to read that, but Covid and lockdowns have become a religion and we have a few converts on here.
Like I postured in another thread, the government should say, you've been vaxed - do as you wish.
Political cowards, so they are.

I've donned my wellies, so I'll step in among the copious piles of sheep droppings to pose a question: Are you one of those who'd rather let the bodies pile high in their thousands than impose lock downs? 

Lock downs work. And so do vaccines, but they don't cancel the need for lock downs until at least 60% of populations in the more crowded regions have been vaccinated to provide some herd immunity. Even then, 70% is generally thought a preferable proportion — and the UK is not even at 50%.
Why do I believe this? It's the general opinion expressed in the number of scientific and business journals I read in my working life, and I pay more attention to them for factual information.   
Political commentary and journalism, on the other hand, just indicates the political actions and decisions that are likely, not the most beneficial...

[Sheepy]

It makes me angry to read that, but Covid and lockdowns have become a religion and we have a few converts on here.
Like I postured in another thread, the government should say, you've been vaxed - do as you wish.
Political cowards, so they are.

Well I guess it must have been some of those Sheep droppings that keep getting under Pats nose.

[Scott777]

It makes me angry to read that, but Covid and lockdowns have become a religion and we have a few converts on here.
Like I postured in another thread, the government should say, you've been vaxed - do as you wish.
Political cowards, so they are.

Cowards, or profiteers and power grabbers???  Matt Wancock has shares in Porton Biopharma which develops vaccines.  He's so happy at how easily people do what they are told.  His wallet will be very content.