Parts of NHS Face Collapse in 3wks/Ambulances: 9hr waits to hand over patients

[Borg Refinery]

No spoken like a realist,treatment is rationed all the time,you do know there are measures in place for who and who will not be treated because of the sheer volume of coved patients,do you know people with learning disabilities are denied life saving transplants because they are deemed less worth saving?
I can list many others if you like.

Money is being spent on gender changing treatment,some and I do mean some cosmetic surgery there are others too and why cannot they be continued with some charitable effort.

The NHS is expected to do a myriad amount of stuff never dreamed of on its inception,and if you want to bring the party politics in to it the institution has been used as a political football from the start much to its loss,it and we deserve better but it is saddled with debt and bureaucracy.

And your idea is to add even more debt and bureaucracy, and privatise it and to make it cost 10x the amount like the US system.

No decent European society has a system that charges for basic treatments.

And you can ask your precious Tories who you fully admitted you voted for (yeh clueless right) why they keep funding the stupid stuff that you're talking about, which is probably not a large amount anyway.

But if it makes you feel better to blame Cranky Corny Carmelina for her botox which makes her look like she's permanently frowning and makes her take everything far too seriously, or blame swallowed tooth fillings or new drugs that can turn folk autistic then so be it...

Me a Tory? Then you are clueless.

You voted Tory, you continually endorse Tory policy, you constantly extol Bojo.

But ok you're a lefty.. sure.. 

[Good old]

New Labour saddled us with an ever increasing PFI debt pile after pathetic fake Scot Tony Blur and his fellow Gordy Broon ruined the economy with their sycophantic pandering to the Corporate Socialists who want every damn.penny squeezed out the poor and given to the rich.

Yes the use of some PFI agreements were poorly constructed. It can not be denied. But I'm old enough to fully understand what that borrowing actually bought for the modernisation of the whole structure of the NHS. And as the previous twenty plus years of Tory rule had if anything reduced the capabilities of what was an antique structure, housed in antique structures. That would include the quality of nursing education.  A massive spend was absolutely needed, and may well be the reason the NHS still exists.
We can argue about the cost , and our Tory friends always will. But Until recently the NHS could proudly claim to be the best there was, and that was were the value lay.

[cromwell]

Spoken like a true Tory.

No spoken like a realist,treatment is rationed all the time,you do know there are measures in place for who and who will not be treated because of the sheer volume of covid patients,do you know people with learning disabilities are denied life saving transplants because they are deemed less worth saving?
I can list many others if you like.

Money is being spent on gender changing treatment,some and I do mean some cosmetic surgery there are others too and why cannot they be continued with some charitable effort.

The NHS is expected to do a myriad amount of stuff never dreamed of on its inception,and if you want to bring the party politics in to it the institution has been used as a political football from the start much to its loss,it and we deserve better but it is saddled with debt and bureaucracy.

Me a Tory? Then you are clueless.

[Borg Refinery]

It's like that Dennis Moore song int ut?

Dennis moore dennis moore..steals from the poor and gives to the rich.

Silly bitch.

[Borg Refinery]

Nowhere have I denied , that Labour introduced university fees . I only stated that those fees were not applied to nursing courses.
The fact that Labour introduced  uni fees  at a relatively moderate rate , compared to those that would come with the Tory coalition , has no real relevance to the massive hike applied to those fees by the Tories.
And in particular the application of the hiked fees and the removal of the additional financial help that had previously applied to nursing courses.
The Tory policy on the production of highly qualified nurses, stinks of their great failure  in only ever addressing the cost of anything , and never it's actual value.

New Labour saddled us with an ever increasing PFI debt pile after pathetic fake Scot Tony Blur and his fellow Gordy Broon ruined the economy with their sycophantic pandering to the Corporate Socialists who want every damn.penny squeezed out the poor and given to the rich.

[Good old]

The point is though nick , if you read back through the thread , in my discussion with good old , im highlighting labours duplicity on the subject of tuition fees. ( like much else)

Good old attacks the tories for tuition fees , when it was labour who brought them in  ,in the first place , something he ignores.

Then he trys and punts the old tired lines about labour bringing in the graduate endowment in 2000 (which labour have tried and failed to punt the lie over the years they abolished in 2000 the tuition fees they previously brought in ) .

How can anyone vote for such a lying bunch of shysters like labour?

If you personally support tuition fees , then you want to vote for a party that stands on a ticket endorsing tuition fees.

If you dont  support them , then you want to vote for a party like the snp who are absolutely against them.

As we see from labour , they try and slyly tread some middle ground of attacking the tories for tuition fees while they secretly support them. We see this mantra in action in so many political subjects.

People are wise to them and see right through them.

I would hope the people in the english north, like us , keep the boot on labour necks and stop this party and their lying politicians getting anywhere near power.

Nowhere have I denied , that Labour introduced university fees . I only stated that those fees were not applied to nursing courses.
The fact that Labour introduced  uni fees  at a relatively moderate rate , compared to those that would come with the Tory coalition , has no real relevance to the massive hike applied to those fees by the Tories.
And in particular the application of the hiked fees and the removal of the additional financial help that had previously applied to nursing courses.
The Tory policy on the production of highly qualified nurses, stinks of their great failure  in only ever addressing the cost of anything , and never it's actual value.

[Borg Refinery]

Two interesting little graphs (for the literate only)

[Borg Refinery]

Proverbs 26:4

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

[Thomas]

In general, give it up.

We noticed dyno.

Havent you got a food bank to volunteer at locally or something?

[Thomas]

Well better dismissed as that than a Scottish Tory/BNP crypto- hiding among the SNP waiting to stab them in the back. Insidious scum under my boots not worth being 10ft near, let alone reading or acknowledging.

Anyway, back to the NHS.

Today Matty Matt-Matt went on telly and reassured us everything would be ok with all the sincerity of, well, an insincere person. Why is he so insincere? Even when he says one word it's just insincere? Weird.

typical dyno , anyone who doesnt tow the anglo labour party line is dismissed as a tory/racist/bnp/blah blah squeal bleat waffle waffle.

Told you before dynamis , unlike worms like you , i can think for myself and dont blindly follow any political parties ideology and dogma. I am a scottish indy supporter first and foremost , and then once scotland is indy , i want politicians to work for my vote , unlike you .

Politicians love easily led dreamers like you.

Are you winning yet dyno?

Labour still dont look like being able to get a westminster majority. 

Looks like the only people who will be voting for sir keir knight of the realm starmer the tory in labour clothing is gullible london centric idiots like you in the south east.

[Borg Refinery]

I expect a speech from the Tory 16 year old William Hague 1070's conference tw@ to commence anytime about how we all have to take responsibility etc... no one cares. We know the rules better than you, tw@. And we stick to them better than you and your ilk so just give it up.

In general, give it up.

Addendum: To be clear, that means give it up. No one is interested.

[Borg Refinery]

Well better dismissed as that than a Scottish Tory/BNP crypto- hiding among the SNP waiting to stab them in the back. Insidious so and so etc not worth acknowledging.

Anyway, back to the NHS.

Today Matty Matt-Matt went on telly and reassured us everything would be ok with all the sincerity of, well, an insincere person. Why is he so insincere? Even when he says one word it's just insincere? Weird.

[Thomas]

Why should nurses get tuition for free? Lawyers, accountants, doctors and the like all pay for university degrees, why should they be any different?

The point is though nick , if you read back through the thread , in my discussion with good old , im highlighting labours duplicity on the subject of tuition fees. ( like much else)

Good old attacks the tories for tuition fees , when it was labour who brought them in  ,in the first place , something he ignores.

Then he trys and punts the old tired lines about labour bringing in the graduate endowment in 2000 (which labour have tried and failed to punt the lie over the years they abolished in 2000 the tuition fees they previously brought in ) .

How can anyone vote for such a lying bunch of shysters like labour?

If you personally support tuition fees , then you want to vote for a party that stands on a ticket endorsing tuition fees.

If you dont  support them , then you want to vote for a party like the snp who are absolutely against them.

As we see from labour , they try and slyly tread some middle ground of attacking the tories for tuition fees while they secretly support them. We see this mantra in action in so many political subjects.

People are wise to them and see right through them.

I would hope the people in the english north, like us , keep the boot on labour necks and stop this party and their lying politicians getting anywhere near power.

[Thomas]

Spoken like a true Tory.

Dismissed like a true labour supporting idealistic dreamer.

[Borg Refinery]

Btw lockdown will prolly last at least til March.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-infections-feared-to-be-up-to-250-000-a-day-and-pressure-on-nhs-may-not-reduce-until-march-12186135

Pressure on the NHS will not start to reduce until March, ministers have been warned - amid fears that new infections could be running at more than 250,000 a day.

Downing Street has been told by government scientists that the rollout of the vaccines is unlikely to cause the mortality rate to decline until later in February.