Brexit: Driver's 'illegal' ham sandwiches seized at Dutch border under EU rules

[Thomas]

starmers labour on 18% .....18%!!!

Scottish parliament voting intention(s):

Constituency:
SNP: 53% (-2)
CON: 19% (-1)
LAB: 18% (+2)
LDEM: 6% (-)

List:
SNP: 44% (+2)
LAB: 18% (+1)
CON: 16% (-4)
GRN: 11% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1349643484878303233

[Thomas]

Lets hope it stays that way so, would you bet on it though, i wouldnt.

Lets hope what stays what way? Covid?

Covid will come and go and the world will move on.

Your only hope of england , or the uk re entering the eu is for keir starmers labour to win and become the uk government in 2024.

So what do you think the chances of that are gerry?

Latest poll out today has scotland on 57% for indy , labour stuggling badly with keir starmer extremely disliked in scotland  , and seen as another blairite.

Remember , it was the blairites under murphy and milliband who eventually wiped labour out , not jeremy corbyn. So scotlands 40 / 50 labour seats of yesterday look long gone for starmer.

Couple that with the shoogly peg he is on in northern england , where many folk have long memories of labour and starmer disrespecting  their brexit vote , and labour are left with the middle class champagne socialists around london.

I think starmer might get 240 seats at best looking at things at present next general election.

I would be very surprised if england/uk rejoined the eu in the next decade , but thats just my take.

If brexit starts going tits up as you say , farage and the tories will simply blame the eu and attitudes will harden in england further against your euro empire.

So i know you are hopefull project fear and new new labour under starmer might wear the english down , but my money is against you gerry.

Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes 57% (-1)
No 43% (+1)

https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/01/storming-start-to-2021-as-yes-scores.html

[cromwell]

Meanwhile..

'You are asking a nurse to come in and look after a ventilator. They have never seen one' - Non-critical care nurses drafted in as ICUs start to run out of specialist nurses

  https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/you-are-asking-a-nurse-to-come-in-and-look-after-a-ventilator-they-have-never-seen-one-non-critical-care-nurses-drafted-in-as-icus-start-to-run-out-of-specialist-nurses-39966722.html

The Irish healthcare system is collapsing and you are worried because a few British truck drivers have had their bacon sarnies confiscated?

Gerry, I have to tell you, you are getting a bit weird.

TBH I suspect were Ireland to suffer another famine Gerry would ignore it,there is a smell of desperation in the air that we must all go back to the Stone Age and prove brexit has failed.

[Borchester]

Lets hope it stays that way so, would you bet on it though, i wouldnt.
But your argument is false. Its like saying your no. 1 priority is the only priority.
For example DB Schenker has suspended truck deliveries from the EU to the UK. they are one of the worlds largest hauliers and are not entertaining having their freight sitting around waiting on paperwork and a failed UK customs system.  Stenaline has moved its new ship Embla off the belfast-Liverpool route and it now runs rosslare-cherbourg and irish ferriers has moved its dublin-hollyhead to rosslare-cherbourg.

M&S are closing their Chech branches on 15th Jan, it only took 2 weeks of brexit for M&S to pull out of a country.

As you say the only game in town is covid, dont mind business, jobs or food , their not a priority. If this keeps going the UK could just scrap the state pension, Johnson can do anything.

Meanwhile..

'You are asking a nurse to come in and look after a ventilator. They have never seen one' - Non-critical care nurses drafted in as ICUs start to run out of specialist nurses

  https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/you-are-asking-a-nurse-to-come-in-and-look-after-a-ventilator-they-have-never-seen-one-non-critical-care-nurses-drafted-in-as-icus-start-to-run-out-of-specialist-nurses-39966722.html

The Irish healthcare system is collapsing and you are worried because a few British truck drivers have had their bacon sarnies confiscated?

Gerry, I have to tell you, you are getting a bit weird.

[GerryT]

In your world maybe , but sorry to piss on your fireworks gerry , but the fact of the matter is covid 19 and lockdown are the only games in town.

No can't is talking about brexit , possibly with the exception of a few disgruntled remainers like you and some of the chattering classes , brexit is done , and completely out the picture.

Unfortunately for you , covid has stolen the wind out your sail.

Outside of forum concern trolls like you , no one gives a shit to be honest gerry , and certainly it doesnt look like covid and the lockdown will end before easter , and then after easter the focus will all be on vaccines till autumn.

You are merely coming across as background noise of little to no relevance.

Whatever economic ramifications you try and drag up regarding brexit will pale into insignificance with the after effects of covid over this last year .

Brexit absolutely no matter how hard certain individuals try , is of utter irrelevance now in the grand scheme of things.

Lets hope it stays that way so, would you bet on it though, i wouldnt.
But your argument is false. Its like saying your no. 1 priority is the only priority.
For example DB Schenker has suspended truck deliveries from the EU to the UK. they are one of the worlds largest hauliers and are not entertaining having their freight sitting around waiting on paperwork and a failed UK customs system.  Stenaline has moved its new ship Embla off the belfast-Liverpool route and it now runs rosslare-cherbourg and irish ferriers has moved its dublin-hollyhead to rosslare-cherbourg.

M&S are closing their Chech branches on 15th Jan, it only took 2 weeks of brexit for M&S to pull out of a country.

As you say the only game in town is covid, dont mind business, jobs or food , their not a priority. If this keeps going the UK could just scrap the state pension, Johnson can do anything.

[Thomas]

brexit day 13 and more reality bites.

In your world maybe , but sorry to piss on your fireworks gerry , but the fact of the matter is covid 19 and lockdown are the only games in town.

No cant is talking about brexit , possibly with the exception of a few disgruntled remainers like you and some of the chattering classes , brexit is done , and completely out the picture.

Unfortunately for you , covid has stolen the wind out your sail.

Outside of forum concern trolls like you , no one gives a shit to be honest gerry , and certainly it doesnt look like covid and the lockdown will end before easter , and then after easter the focus will all be on vaccines till autumn.

You are merely coming across as background noise of little to no relevance.

Whatever economic ramifications you try and drag up regarding brexit will pale into insignificance with the after effects of covid over this last year .

Brexit absolutely no matter how hard certain individuals try , is of utter irrelevance now in the grand scheme of things.

[cromwell]

Did someone post reality bites?
I thought they took the sarnie.

[Nick]

Ok the OP was about how a truck driver was importing into the EU meat, possibly cooked. This was taken, it just so happens to be a sambo and the UK trash media loves to make a story out of nothing.
I pointed out that UK customs will be doing the same thing to an EU driver travelling into the UK. This will also happen at Airport security if your checked, ever watch border control tv programmes ?

I then went on to describe the real nature of these customs checks and how it will affect people in all walks of life such as motor-sport and music industries. It's not just trade that gets affected.

brexit day 13 and more reality bites.

Oh no! F1 has to organise cross border transport and Visa's, something they do for 13 races anyway. You really are clutching at straws.

[GerryT]

feck knows borkie. As long as gerry keeps coming on here telling folk how bad they are for leaving his european empire , and pissing the english off in the process , all will be well with the world.

Ok the OP was about how a truck driver was importing into the EU meat, possibly cooked. This was taken, it just so happens to be a sambo and the UK trash media loves to make a story out of nothing.
I pointed out that UK customs will be doing the same thing to an EU driver travelling into the UK. This will also happen at Airport security if your checked, ever watch border control tv programmes ?

I then went on to describe the real nature of these customs checks and how it will affect people in all walks of life such as motor-sport and music industries. It's not just trade that gets affected.

brexit day 13 and more reality bites.

[Thomas]

There could be more to it than we think.

Could it be that the EU has started to unravel as a result of Brexit and the hungry customs officials are now reduced to stealing British lorry drivers sandwiches to feed themselves and their families?

feck knows borkie. As long as gerry keeps coming on here telling folk how bad they are for leaving his european empire , and pissing the english off in the process , all will be well with the world.

[Thomas]

In fairness the UK will be doing the same thing. Goods moving freely across borders is the reserve of custom unions, the UK will also check for imports such as this, it's a non story. But the Dutch haven't forgot mad cow disease, there a little suspect about meat exports from the UK, cost them a bit the last time !

A more relevant one would be this:
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87850

UK Motorsport drivers and teams aiming to compete in Europe will now have to apply for an ATA Carnet - an international customs document – in order to transport cars or equipment temporarily to within the EU, paying a fee of £240 plus VAT for the processing of each carnet. They must also pay a premium of 40 percent of the value of cars being shipped, which is refundable when the vehicles come back to the UK, or a non-refundable insurance premium to cover the 40 percent. This can cost as much as £624 for each £100,000 of cover. For an ATA Carnet, every item must be listed on the official form and, while a single carnet is valid for a year, once completed, they cannot be changed. Where there are multiple venues, loads vary so much that new applications are often needed for every event.
Will the next Lewis Hamilton be found, it's very doubtful with these barriers, his career started on the EU kart circuit.

It's not just this, I was talking to a friend that is involved in a musical festival in Germany for musicians, many people from the UK go and bring sample instruments. He was saying most UK participants will find it really difficult to go with these rules, organising carnet and insurances.

These are typical non tariff barriers that can greatly affect trade, it's not just reducing a tariff that is important

feck knows what your reply to my quote has to do with anything i said gerry.

Are you now reduced to picking quotes at random to talk to with little relevance to what is being said? Next you will be arguing with yourself over brexit.

[Borchester]

looks like a bit of an own goal there from pappy barry.

Stories like this are only going to ferment the anti eu feeling even further.

There could be more to it than we think.

Could it be that the EU has started to unravel as a result of Brexit and the hungry customs officials are now reduced to stealing British lorry drivers sandwiches to feed themselves and their families?

[papasmurf]

You did, and motor sports, especially F1 is a key industry in the UK. Many F1 teams like Mercedes are based in the UK.

Most of the drivers live in Monaco for tax reasons.

[GerryT]

So, Gerry,  how did this impact the likes of Paddy Hopkirk, Jim Clark, Stirling Moss and our 24 Hour Le Mans Jaguar teams in the era when British engineering slaughtered the world as far as motor sport went
Because we managed to make our mark very well in the days prior to 1973....

You did, and motor sports, especially F1 is a key industry in the UK. Many F1 teams like Mercedes are based in the UK.
Without looking into it, I guess back in the day things were most likely a bit looser and F1 teams and drivers could easily move around Europe to attend races.  Employing foreign engineers, designers, drivers were easily done And young UK drivers could easily start their careers on the European kart racing circuit.
That's not possible in today's world. There are many restrictions. I spoke of the UK producing another Hamilton, who is a magnificent if not the all time greatest driver. His rise through the ranks happened because of him having the ability to freely move in the EU, that's now gone. Which the article outlined if you bother to read it. Project fear-no...Project Oh Dear-yes.

There is talk the UK F1 race at Silverstone will have to move to the end or start of the season as getting all the paperwork/process/procedures setup would be difficult to manage mid season.

[johnofgwent]

In fairness the UK will be doing the same thing. Goods moving freely across borders is the reserve of custom unions, the UK will also check for imports such as this, it's a non story. But the Dutch haven't forgot mad cow disease, there a little suspect about meat exports from the UK, cost them a bit the last time !

A more relevant one would be this:
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87850

UK Motorsport drivers and teams aiming to compete in Europe will now have to apply for an ATA Carnet - an international customs document – in order to transport cars or equipment temporarily to within the EU, paying a fee of £240 plus VAT for the processing of each carnet. They must also pay a premium of 40 percent of the value of cars being shipped, which is refundable when the vehicles come back to the UK, or a non-refundable insurance premium to cover the 40 percent. This can cost as much as £624 for each £100,000 of cover. For an ATA Carnet, every item must be listed on the official form and, while a single carnet is valid for a year, once completed, they cannot be changed. Where there are multiple venues, loads vary so much that new applications are often needed for every event.
Will the next Lewis Hamilton be found, it's very doubtful with these barriers, his career started on the EU kart circuit.

It's not just this, I was talking to a friend that is involved in a musical festival in Germany for musicians, many people from the UK go and bring sample instruments. He was saying most UK participants will find it really difficult to go with these rules, organising carnet and insurances.

These are typical non tariff barriers that can greatly affect trade, it's not just reducing a tariff that is important

So, Gerry,  how did this impact the likes of Paddy Hopkirk, Jim Clark, Stirling Moss and our 24 Hour Le Mans Jaguar teams in the era when British engineering slaughtered the world as far as motor sport went


Because we managed to make our mark very well in the days prior to 1973....