Keir Starmer ‘needs pact with other parties to oust Boris Johnson in 2024’,

[Nick]

Perhaps the Independent doesn't understand that a majority means all the others added up is still not enough. 😆
Like you said, it's a lot of hot air and no substance.

[Thomas]

And then some sod might move the mountain 

A lot of the electorate voted Labour/Green/Lib Dem/SNP and Christ knows what not to spite the Tories, but because they weren't Labour/Green/Lib Dem/SNP or Christ knows what. The result of such a coalition would be a hardening of the Tory vote and a lot of the opposition electors either switching sides or staying at home.

The left is like The Independent. It loves plots, ignores its supporters and is rapidly going out of business.

The article is a lot of shite borkie. My point was despite much of the guff written , which basically boils down to all parties standing aside so we can get back to good old fashioned two party politics  , there is a hint of truth in there that has been quoted time and again that the labour party is very very unlikely to win an outright majority.

Too many parties chewing on the centre left slice of the vote with the tories only having to face off competeiton with farage.

I cant speak for england , but where the article mentions "parties workng together".....ie standing aside for labour , wasnt this suggested at the last GE in 2019 to stop the tories winning and implemeting brexit?

Look what happened?

I think it very unlikely the lib dems in scotland would stand aside for labour. In many of the highland constituencies , the lib dem vote would more likely go to the snp than labour who are despised.

On top of that , there is no danger the scottish greens would stand aside for labour , and obviously the snp. So labour are in big trouble in scotland.

In england , while im not sure , again it looks unlikely parties are going to stand aside for labour.

If you look at the fourth paragraph , it sums up what the europhile groups in england are hoping for.......labour getting back in and tieing the uk to some BRINO deal . This is going to be a big problem for starmer next election , with all his remain baggage being flagged up again to the 55% in england who supported brexit.

You can see the pitifull tactics that gerry keeps banging on about, carry on with project fear hoping yet again for a chnage in attitude with labour being the knights in shinig armour that take the uk back to the eu one way or the other.

Its a few years ahead yet , so anything can change as we know and labour of course hope , but from where im standing , starmer trying to reinvent the new labour project and tell the brit establishent he is a safe pair of hands , coupled with his opposition to brexit and scot indy are massive problems labour on the face of it cannot overcome from what i can see.

240/250 seats is somewhere about what i see labour getting.

The old traditional working class vote , or whats left of it rather , isnt going to rush to vote for some new labour reinvention.

Labour and starmer are simply the party today of the middle class woke elite in and around london. Im hoping he puts anas sarwar in charge of scottish labour. That should put a bit more of the dent in whats left of their vote.

[Borchester]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-progressive-alliance-poll-b1788021.html


Keep saying it but labour have an absolute mountain to climb to get back into power.

And then some sod might move the mountain 

A lot of the electorate voted Labour/Green/Lib Dem/SNP and Christ knows what not to spite the Tories, but because they weren't Labour/Green/Lib Dem/SNP or Christ knows what. The result of such a coalition would be a hardening of the Tory vote and a lot of the opposition electors either switching sides or staying at home.

The left is like The Independent. It loves plots, ignores its supporters and is rapidly going out of business.

[Thomas]

Keir Starmer 'needs pact with other parties to oust Boris Johnson in 2024', new analysis finds

Sir Keir Starmer could scoop a historic victory for Labour in the 2024 general election if he is willing to work with other progressive parties to maximise left-of-centre seats, according to new polling analysis seen by The Independent.

But if the Labour leader refuses to collaborate with Liberal Democrats and Greens, he risks a repeat of the December 2019 election, when Boris Johnson's Tories won a landslide on a hard Brexit platform despite a majority of voters backing parties offering a second EU referendum.

Despite a narrow lead for Labour in the poll, the analysis suggests that Mr Johnson can hold onto his overall majority at Westminster if Nigel Farage repeats his 2019 move of standing aside candidates to allow Conservatives to consolidate the right-of-centre vote.

Internationalist campaign group Best for Britain, which fought for a second Brexit referendum and is now pushing for a strengthening of the EU trade deal, examined the results of a massive 22,000-voter Focaldata poll, conducted in December on the MRP method which allows figures to be broken down to a constituency-by-constituency level.

The raw figures, released earlier this month, suggested a neck-and-neck race with the Tories on 36 per cent and Labour 38, resulting in 284 seats for Conservatives and 283 for Labour, with Lib Dems holding onto just two. This outcome would set the scene for a likely Labour-SNP coalition government with Nicola Sturgeon demanding an independence referendum as part of the price for her support.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-progressive-alliance-poll-b1788021.html


Keep saying it but labour have an absolute mountain to climb to get back into power.