Should zero Covid be the objective?

[patman post]

Can you elaborate on this objective (but not to the exclusion of reality)?

Sure: diptheria, leprosy, polio, and smallpox are among diseases that have almost been eradicated in recent times by immunization, inoculation and vaccination. Short local isolations and lock-downs have been used for centuries to combat the spread of disease. 

For such epidemics as foot and mouth**, swine fever, and avian flu in animals, slaughter has also been a means of bringing outbreaks to a halt. The idea that possibly-infected, immigrants attempting to arrive illegally by boat, should be refused permission to land but "allowed" to perish at sea, could be of that same mindset. But it's not an acceptable reality...

***The Pirbright Institute and its research partners have granted a commercial licence for a new, effective and affordable vaccine to protect livestock against several serotypes of foot-and-mouth-disease (FMDV).

But one drawback of vaccination has been the difficulty of knowing whether any antibodies found in animals to be moved or for sale, are due to infection or vaccination. However these two sorts of response can now be distinguished. 

Identifying vaccinated and infected animals,  can allow trade to continue and mass culling in the event of an outbreak would not be needed.
https://www.pirbright.ac.uk/news/2019/09/pirbright-grants-licence-new-foot-and-mouth-disease-vaccine

[Scott777]

Still no evidence for your conspiracy theory I see. 

Which theory is that?  Which post did I say it in?  I'm intrigued by it.  But the irony is, it's you who first mentioned a conspiracy.  Hash does make people paranoid.

[srb7677]

Your little provocations are delightful.  😁  I don't need evidence of whoever think it's bollocks.  "The medical profession" is not a single person, so your question is the usual nonsense from you.

Still no evidence for your conspiracy theory I see. 

[Scott777]

Where is your evidence that the medical profession regard covid as bollocks?

You are an obvious conspiracy theorist. What conspiracy do you think the entire medical profession and scientific community are in on? Come on, spell it out. I could do with a laugh.

Your little provocations are delightful.  😁  I don't need evidence of whoever think it's bollocks.  "The medical profession" is not a single person, so your question is the usual nonsense from you.

[srb7677]

How do you know this?  Did you ask virtually all the medical profession and medical scientists?  Or did the TV tell you this?  This is for debate.  But all I see are claims from people who never have any explanation or evidence.

Where is your evidence that the medical profession regard covid as bollocks?

You are an obvious conspiracy theorist. What conspiracy do you think the entire medical profession and scientific community are in on? Come on, spell it out. I could do with a laugh.

[Scott777]

I think zero Covid should be the objective — just as zero all disease and disability, and the problems accompanying them, should be the objective — but not to the exclusion of reality...   

Can you elaborate on this objective (but not to the exclusion of reality)?

[Scott777]

Virtually all the medical profession and medical scientists agree that we are dealing with a pandemic caused by a fast mutating virus; and this is not just in the UK but worldwide.

How do you know this?  Did you ask virtually all the medical profession and medical scientists?  Or did the TV tell you this?  This is for debate.  But all I see are claims from people who never have any explanation or evidence.

[patman post]

I agree with grumzed.   
And to answer the thread's question: I think zero Covid should be the objective — just as zero all disease and disability, and the problems accompanying them, should be the objective — but not to the exclusion of reality...   

[Sheepy]

https://www.rferl.org/a/covid-19-lockdown-protests-spread-around-the-world/30610041.html
I guess the usual suspects would like it to be a few cranks, but alas listening isn't something they are good at. As Barry once noted, as none of it has actually worked and as we are fed daily on a diet of look, nothing works so we just as well follow along. Lets hope for all of your sake's frustration doesn't get the better of people.

[grumzed]

It's actually quite hard for some of us to believe that there are so many people here who take a contrary view to the status quo despite overwhelming evidence, even when the source of such evidence is from those who are expert in the subject. It seems to me this is a relatively new phenomenon, perhaps something to do with the internet. If someone has a doubt, and they find others who also have the same doubt, then whatever the evidence, the support of a few strengthens that doubt.

I used to think websites, such as this, were actually a great idea. It is a way of spreading knowledge and understanding and, by debating issues, learning more detail about a subject. To an extent, this does happen, but it also leads to the confirming of people's prejudices. It can also lead to some sites becoming a reservoir for a particular political position because those who may have another view are discouraged from voicing it. Indeed, I feel that way myself.

This debate highlights this partcularly well. Virtually all the medical profession and medical scientists agree that we are dealing with a pandemic caused by a fast mutating virus; and this is not just in the UK but worldwide. There are variations on how to treat this situation, some of which depends on the wealth of a country and on what structures they have in place to manage the situation. However, Europe, USA (eventually), Canada, all European countries, China, Russia, Israel, most of the ME countries, Australia, NZ etc. are all doing, with slight variations, the same as the UK. My goodness that is some conspiracy. Hmm, maybe it isn't. Perhaps it is just the right thing to do.

[patman post]

Don't know what? What shit are you spouting without evidence in defiance of the entire medical community who you think you know better than. Talk about fruit loops,

Seems to me, Covid has caused more than few people to try to relieve their boredom or fear (or get their entertainment) by taking on the roles of contrarians in the various places they frequent. 
It's the same with Brexit and Climate Change.
If they get annoying — especially if their views run counter to personal experience — alternative treatments are (a) to ignore them as crowds muttering "rhubarb, rhubarb, ruhurb" are ignored on stage, or (b) advance cogent counter arguments.   
You won't win, but you might lessen your own tension...

[Scott777]

None of what I wrote suggests I subscribe to any conspiracy theories, either.

It's the easiest attack to make when they have no argument.  Everything is a conspiracy theory.  😉

[Barry]

Well I think Barry, Sheepy, and Scott777 seem to have just escaped from the funny farm,

I may have been psychologically examined, but I never smoked dope.
None of what I wrote suggests I subscribe to any conspiracy theories, either.

[srb7677]

Ah, I see, so you don't know then.

Don't know what? What shit are you spouting without evidence in defiance of the entire medical community who you think you know better than. Talk about fruit loops,

[Sheepy]

You are all in obvious denial about covid in defiance of the entire medical community. Do you know more than them? Next time I need brain surgery or a heart transplant I'll come to you three. Your medical knowledge is obviously awesome.

The three wise monkeys - See no covid. Hear no covid. And speak no covid. Lol

Ah, I see, so you don't know then.