Millions can't access dental treatment

[Borchester]

I just wanted to see Baron von Lotsov in a thread.

He is somewhat more serious, less nutty and to be honest, not as much fun as before.

[Barry]

I haven't used an NHS dentist for years simply because the treatment they can give you is poor. Not their fault but the limitations set upon them. I don't have a plan but pay as needed but when I compare to friends who go NHS there is no comparison. Having said that my mouth is the most expensive part of me!   But then that was caused by poor care under NHS through my early years. Many dentists are dropping the NHS simply because they cannot provide proper care.

I don't think it's a case of "You get what you pay for" in dentistry. I've had rubbish private treatment from a lady dentist who thought root canal treatment was always the answer as a treatment plan. I ended up losing most of those teeth as they cracked after the stress of drilling.
I reckon it is more random than that. Dentistry is a very precise art and a single slip can mess things up. Paying more does not cure that.
My dentist in Stourbridge, she was fairly newly qualified and perhaps eager to impress her boss. She impressed me with excellent work to correct a problem I had for more than 10 years.
We'll see how we get on with the new dentist. It's not many years since virtually everyone had NHS dentistry, because it was the way of going on 30 years back. Only the rich went private. That £165 I paid for my crown to be cemented back would have been £50 on the NHS, or it might even have been free as it was only less than a year since it was put in.

[Barry]

You're a naughty man Barry but we'll let you off

I just wanted to see Baron von Lotsov in a thread.

[T00ts]

I moved from Stourbridge to Tonbridge in 2020 in the midst of the lurgy and left behind my lovely dentist, Tania in Stourbridge.
Not long after getting to Tonbridge, October 2020, I had a recently installed crown drop out and I could not get NHS dental treatment for the repair.
I had to go to a private practitioner and they charged £165 to cement the crown back in. (Rip-off)
Since then I have not been able to register with an NHS dentist. Apparently Covid has changed the dynamics of funding. Funding is based on the number of NHS patients/treatments, which plummeted because of the government stopping all but emergency treatment.

In March 2022 we moved to the Island of Sheppey and still could not register with a dentist. Eventually we were able to register at a Sheerness dentist, but they said there was a l9 month waiting list, which would take us to November.

Today the dentists phoned with an appointment date in September for check-ups as NHS patients for my wife and myself.
Hooray, but it does show what difficulties there are with NHS dental treatment.

When we were in Stourbridge our dentist went semi-private and asked if we wanted to move over at £30 per person per month. This price would not include all treatment as crowns would be extra. You can get a lot of NHS treatment for £360 a year, so we passed on that.

I haven't used an NHS dentist for years simply because the treatment they can give you is poor. Not their fault but the limitations set upon them. I don't have a plan but pay as needed but when I compare to friends who go NHS there is no comparison. Having said that my mouth is the most expensive part of me!   But then that was caused by poor care under NHS through my early years. Many dentists are dropping the NHS simply because they cannot provide proper care.

[cromwell]

You're a naughty man Barry but we'll let you off 

[Barry]

I moved from Stourbridge to Tonbridge in 2020 in the midst of the lurgy and left behind my lovely dentist, Tania in Stourbridge.
Not long after getting to Tonbridge, October 2020, I had a recently installed crown drop out and I could not get NHS dental treatment for the repair.
I had to go to a private practitioner and they charged £165 to cement the crown back in. (Rip-off)
Since then I have not been able to register with an NHS dentist. Apparently Covid has changed the dynamics of funding. Funding is based on the number of NHS patients/treatments, which plummeted because of the government stopping all but emergency treatment.

In March 2022 we moved to the Island of Sheppey and still could not register with a dentist. Eventually we were able to register at a Sheerness dentist, but they said there was a l9 month waiting list, which would take us to November.

Today the dentists phoned with an appointment date in September for check-ups as NHS patients for my wife and myself.
Hooray, but it does show what difficulties there are with NHS dental treatment.

When we were in Stourbridge our dentist went semi-private and asked if we wanted to move over at £30 per person per month. This price would not include all treatment as crowns would be extra. You can get a lot of NHS treatment for £360 a year, so we passed on that.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Lots of people don't dare talk about it, they know all the censorship labels will be trotted out to silence them.

It's not the reason though. Our area is 98% British, and like everywhere else, it has few NHS British dentists. Instead we are offered Polish dental treatment. According to someone I know who has tried both, he told me it was the British dentist that cockked his teeth up, but then that was according to the Polish dentist which he told me was much better, yet the man does not have many teeth left!



Whilst Farage has been preaching sht with his pet BBC blonde advisor, this country has been getting less and less academic, so each new year the schools have produced less and less capable students. That's the honest truth and it fits all the facts. Foreign dentists can make a killing in Britain and my woman's brother is one example who has done so. There is a huge shortage. It's simply the economics of supply and demand, and if the NHS were doing its job correctly it would not admit bad dentists, hence it has to admit mostly foreign ones. You can't blame the NHS because they do not teach in schools. The buck stops with the education department if that is not too difficult to grasp. Seems counter News, doesn't it, where one talks about health and yet the culprit is education.

[johnofgwent]

The cost of a check up for me as an NHS patient is £25 per check up and having them cleaned every 6 months by the Hygienist is £50 a time, I had to have a crown replaced last year that cost me £90,

My denplan dentist didn't do root canal molars.



I ended up shelling out the best part of £800 to a Cardiff "specialist"

[johnofgwent]

The problem where I live is a simple one



Maggie Thatcher went Mano a Mano against the BDS and to a man they all said F@@@ you and eft the NHS,. The private dental service Denplan stepped in and INITIALLY offered terms that meant Moira and I paid scarcely a few quid more than the NHS charged to have ourselves and the kids seen and any problems fixed once every three months



That was back in 1988 ISH.



Over the years naturally the fees have escalated way beyond that, but there is no alternative. The Tories are ideologically opposed to NHS dental treatment but LABOUR have done F@@@ ALL to reverse this since taking over control of ALL health matters in Wales in 1997. There has been no training to speak.of and no investment in NHS treatment beyond hospital departments.



There are NHS dentists but none are taking on new adult patients within fifty miles of this house



I know because last year the man who has looked after my teeth since that day he left the NHS finally hung up his drill and the bloke that took it over is most definitely in it for the money and I tried to find one



Fortunately I found a less money driven chap offering places under denplan who has returned to this area after a spell in foreign parts. ..

[papasmurf]

Yet you can afford a holiday home in France and expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill for your dentistry ?

Our "holiday home" in Brittany is and ancient mobile home some 50-60 years old and cost a whole £2000 over 20 years ago. Dentistry is not free on the NHS.

The charges private dentist's charge in the UK is scandalous. (I had to pay for some emergency dentistry in Brittany and it was less than the NHS in Britain.)

[Streetwalker]

Having recently looked at the private charges list at two local dentists you must be joking. My wife and I cannot afford it. The cost of NHS dentistry is bad enough.

Yet you can afford a holiday home in France and expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill for your dentistry ?

[Scott777]

I suggest that is research you do for yourself. I can only comment there is a two year wait at least in Cornwall to get registered with an NHS dentist and from the last census ethnic minorities in legally resident in Cornwall as are rare as rocking horse poo and Unicorns. There are nearly 50000 on the NHS dentist waiting list:-



https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/demand-action-nearly-50000-waiting-2740356">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... ng-2740356">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/demand-action-nearly-50000-waiting-2740356

My point is, this is not necessarily news of any value.  If it's 2M immigrants who can't get a dentist, maybe it's because they take low wage jobs and can't afford it, in which case it's another problem of immigration.  If it's 2M citizens, it's a completely different problem.  And your article doesn't say anything about waiting to register with a dentist, it just says "waiting for a dentist".

[Churchill]

Agree that getting dental treatment is some areas is very difficult. Strangely enough, where I live it isn't bad, but getting a doctors appointment is close to impossible.



I am going to say it once again. Previous governments allowed the population to grow to quickly, and this was mainly down to the Blair days. They were so stupid and incompetent they couldn't see the strain such population growth would have on our infrastructure. What makes me more angry is the only person who will ever talk about this is Farage.

Lots of people don't dare talk about it, they know all the censorship labels will be trotted out to silence them.

[Churchill]

My GP Practice now provides booking appointments to see a Doctor or the Practise nurse via a Phone App it works well,

[Wiggles]

Agree that getting dental treatment is some areas is very difficult. Strangely enough, where I live it isn't bad, but getting a doctors appointment is close to impossible.



I am going to say it once again. Previous governments allowed the population to grow to quickly, and this was mainly down to the Blair days. They were so stupid and incompetent they couldn't see the strain such population growth would have on our infrastructure. What makes me more angry is the only person who will ever talk about this is Farage.