NHS overtaking Brexit

[papasmurf]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-concerns-brexit-general-election-boris-johnson-corbyn-poll-a9211196.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 11196.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-concerns-brexit-general-election-boris-johnson-corbyn-poll-a9211196.html



Apparantly the NHS is overtaking Brexit as the electorates main concern. Mr Johnson's obsessive focus on Brexit may not be the deciding factor he seems to think it is.

Local news items like this one will add to the NHS being a major worry. Especially with doctors declaring the latest privatisation as unsafe:-



https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/unsafe-sexual-health-centre-could-3570595">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... ld-3570595">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/unsafe-sexual-health-centre-could-3570595



'Unsafe' sexual health centre could lead to STI epidemic in Cornwall

Doctors write to Cornwall Council refusing to work for new provider

Updated13:52, 23 NOV 2019



Five senior doctors have written to Cornwall Council outlining their fears about the safety of sexual health services in the county.

Writing in a private capacity and not on behalf of the Royal Cornwall Hospitals Trust, the consultants are concerned that following a recent competitive tendering exercise, the sexual health contract in Cornwall was awarded to a non-NHS provider "with no prior experience of running a large-scale specialist service".



They are so concerned they have decided not to work for the new provider.

[Churchill]

If the boss gets that amount of money then it means the company is doing really well and can afford to pay everyone a good salary. It is far from that in normal reality. Take a look at the accounts of a small to medium sized industrial firm and you'll find that there are no magic money trees. The boss often finds himself on the shop floor working overtime. Typically a new business is very touch and go as to whether it will survive or not. The directors have their homes on the line, the staff do not.

I agree sad to say some people still do not understand tha,t in order to start a business in the first place first one has to find a gap in the market or invent a better widget or whatever that people need and want to buy, which may take years



As you say then find the funds to actually get it off the ground either by borrowing heavily and or mortgaging their house, some dinosaurs wrongly think that anyone in business is well off to begin with.



Once established and they do actually start to make some profit after all their overheads are paid they may be in a position to expand and hire people, the skills they have or require will determine their worth to the business, a good worker is worth their pay, a shirker is not.



Since the financial crash to stay afloat businesses have been paired to the bone , Councils the same, the bad old days when overmanning and demarcation was the norm in many cases that brought many a business to its knees are over, only a fool would want a return to those days.

[papasmurf]

It does not help your business to rip your staff off.

The problem is far too many employers do just that.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Can afford and does are two very different things.

It does not help your business to rip your staff off. For each kind of work there is a going rate, but for companies leading the market they can afford to pay above the going rate, and they get the best staff. For example, looking at delivery workers they often get min wage, but one particular American delivery firm, which is known to be good in their service, was paying almost twice the rate. Not every deliveryman would be given a job there, but if you had a good track record you would. You see this capitalism comes down to getting what you are worth, or walking out. It makes a lot of difference to the success of the business to have good staff. I know, as I've employed people myself. A really decent worker can increase your profits substantially so it is only fair they see more money for more effort. I've had good and I've had bad, and bad often means they let you down. Then it is customer on the back of the business wanting to know what's going on, and then it is more time to sort their sht out.

[papasmurf]

If the boss gets that amount of money then it means the company is doing really well and can afford to pay everyone a good salary.

Can afford and does are two very different things.

[Baron von Lotsov]

If the boss gets a telephone number sized income and pays the workforce peanuts you will end up with anti-capitalists who hate your guts.

If the boss gets that amount of money then it means the company is doing really well and can afford to pay everyone a good salary. It is far from that in normal reality. Take a look at the accounts of a small to medium sized industrial firm and you'll find that there are no magic money trees. The boss often finds himself on the shop floor working overtime. Typically a new business is very touch and go as to whether it will survive or not. The directors have their homes on the line, the staff do not.

[Nick]

It isn't a one issue election no matter how much the Tories and Brexit party wish it was.

The damage done to millions of people by the Tories since May 2010 is a much bigger issue than they seem to think.

The Tories have angered 3.8 million WASPI Women, plus nurses, doctors, the police, the ambulance service, the judiciary, victims of welfare reform.

(Not an exclusive list.)

The damage was done by the indiscriminate labour spending during their tenure. The Conservatives brought us back to living within our means. A sensible government doing what they should do, increasing the economy and putting people back in work. Clearly things you regard as against socialist values, that's why Corbyn just got a kicking in the debate tonight.

[papasmurf]

 That'll put business off all the more. You can't realistically set up a  business when your workforce are all anti-capitalists and hate your guts.

If the boss gets a telephone number sized income and pays the workforce peanuts you will end up with anti-capitalists who hate your guts.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Well, not entirely true, we had high tech industry in the early to mid eighties replacing the low tech heavy ones. It was labour who turned into a nation of call centre operators.

Yes and that was the time when there were relocation grants. I recall looking at the grants available to business at that time, and recall specifically one option was move your business to Wales and get one. It might well be the case that all things equal it was not a good idea for a business to move to Wales, but perhaps in some industry the grant tips the balance. The grants can't keep on forever, so its a bit like the Silicon Glen up in Scotland. Also it has not helped that Wales wants more independents. The difference is that a Welsh regional government would be more socialist than  national government. That'll put business off all the more. You can't realistically set up a  business when your workforce are all anti-capitalists and hate your guts.

[johnofgwent]

My view of Wales is that the capitalists moved out when the coal mines closed. Labour is a symptom of it, not the cause. The coal was needed to run the industry of the mighty British Empire, but with little industry left and people getting upset about coal fumes, it had kind of left Wales high and dry. So then what happens is there is unemployment, then the government in Westminster shifts tons of government jobs over to it to replace capitalist activity. You don't have to be Einstein to guess what happens next.  Imagine being in the kind of job where you spend all day long fining people for handing their tax return in a few days late or similar. I guess it changes one's views on life.

Well, not entirely true, we had high tech industry in the early to mid eighties replacing the low tech heavy ones. It was labour who turned into a nation of call centre operators.

[Churchill]

I saw some polling that indicated that nearly 50% of people haven't decided which party to vote for yet - I suspect that's a pretty high number compared to past elections.

Wife and I were undecide we seriously contemplated not voting ever again, however two things changed our minds, one was no Brexit Party candidate standing in our constituency, if there had been we would have voted for him or her.



Second reason was as soon as we saw what Labour want to do, now we will vote to keep both the Liberal and Labour candidates out, for self preservation

[Baron von Lotsov]

well round here the reason the NHS is newsworthy is that it has been under the total control of a labour fiefdom for the past 22 years and it is on a par with the third world. Which actually suits most of the patients, who come from it.

My view of Wales is that the capitalists moved out when the coal mines closed. Labour is a symptom of it, not the cause. The coal was needed to run the industry of the mighty British Empire, but with little industry left and people getting upset about coal fumes, it had kind of left Wales high and dry. So then what happens is there is unemployment, then the government in Westminster shifts tons of government jobs over to it to replace capitalist activity. You don't have to be Einstein to guess what happens next.  Imagine being in the kind of job where you spend all day long fining people for handing their tax return in a few days late or similar. I guess it changes one's views on life.

[Javert]

I saw some polling that indicated that nearly 50% of people haven't decided which party to vote for yet - I suspect that's a pretty high number compared to past elections.

[Ciaphas]

Yes, but hopefully Boris isn't about to announce that kids meals will be taken off the tables at schools, or pensioners houses will be sold without their consent whilst they suffer dementia, or the triple lock is up for grabs.

If he just keeps bumbling around, he might be OK. Only 3 weeks to go to find out.

Quite the opposite infact.



He made a number of innacurate or incorrect statements that will please his target audiences and which have been uncritically reproduced by his backers in the right wing media.

[Barry]

It didn't go over my head, anyone who believes the opinion polls are an accurate reflection of what the general election result will be have forgotten how badly wrong they were at the last general election. Which left the Tories having to bribe the DUP to stay in power.

Yes, but hopefully Boris isn't about to announce that kids meals will be taken off the tables at schools, or pensioners houses will be sold without their consent whilst they suffer dementia, or the triple lock is up for grabs.

If he just keeps bumbling around, he might be OK. Only 3 weeks to go to find out.