Labour plans to teach British Empire injustice in schools

[Churchill]

The problem is that most older indigenous British people have been subject to, and indoctrinated by, systemised education formulated in the 1880s and carried through (almost without modification) until the 1970s. The jingoistic induced Pride in Empire was forced into young minds — rather like army square bashing and other military drills — to stifle questioning of detail by swamping with tales of (white British ) derring do. This self-perpetuating indoctrination spawned (and was helped by) Biggles, Dan Dare, Sherlock Holmes, and other boys' heroes in the pages of Hornet, Hotspur, Rover, Skipper, Victor, Wizard, etc, which (together with the Anglican Church) carried their misplaced pride through into adulthood.

It's only since Britain had its Empire wrested away from it and had to treat with former subjugated colonies on a basis of equality, that the enlightened among its establishment influencers and  leaders been forced to confront the many myths of its greatness and re-evaluate what it tells itself in its now diminished status...

The dismantling of the British Empire began in the last century in 1949, most of the countries we did rule are now independent and self Governing and have been for a long time , there are 14 countries that choose to remain in the Commonwealth which we still have some political association with the UK and the Crown, however they are free to stay or leave if they chose to.

[DeppityDawg]

There are however particular demographic who grew up on a diet of British exceptionalism who are going to find it very difficult to adapt their worldview and instead will choose to attack this proposal rather than change. This kind of stuff is right-wing catnip.

Aye, we are all fascists, Wolfy, feasting on tales of former greatness to the shrill of dog whistle racism. Yawn.

[T00ts]

The problem is that most older indigenous British people have been subject to, and indoctrinated by, systemised education formulated in the 1880s and carried through (almost without modification) until the 1970s. The jingoistic induced Pride in Empire was forced into young minds — rather like army square bashing and other military drills — to stifle questioning of detail by swamping with tales of (white British ) derring do. This self-perpetuating indoctrination spawned (and was helped by) Biggles, Dan Dare, Sherlock Holmes, and other boys' heroes in the pages of Hornet, Hotspur, Rover, Skipper, Victor, Wizard, etc, which (together with the Anglican Church) carried their misplaced pride through into adulthood.

It's only since Britain had its Empire wrested away from it and had to treat with former subjugated colonies on a basis of equality, that the enlightened among its establishment influencers and  leaders been forced to confront the many myths of its greatness and re-evaluate what it tells itself in its now diminished status...

Goodness me! Would you like some vinegar?

[patman post]

It's important to have a accurate understanding of the UK's history rather than the rose-tinted view of British Imperialism which dominates public perceptions. It's more difficult to maintain attitudes of British exceptionalism when people are made aware of both the good and bad elements of British history.



Arguably these perceptions blind many to the problematic behaviour of contemporary UK. Just look at the governments continued sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia despite them being banned by the courts because the likelyhood of them being used in Yemen.



Furthermore their are obvious benefits in regards to improving the public understanding of why the UK enjoys such a diverse population.



There are however particular demographic who grew up on a diet of British exceptionalism who are going to find it very difficult to adapt their worldview and instead will choose to attack this proposal rather than change. This kind of stuff is right-wing catnip.

The problem is that most older indigenous British people have been subject to, and indoctrinated by, systemised education formulated in the 1880s and carried through (almost without modification) until the 1970s. The jingoistic induced Pride in Empire was forced into young minds — rather like army square bashing and other military drills — to stifle questioning of detail by swamping with tales of (white British ) derring do. This self-perpetuating indoctrination spawned (and was helped by) Biggles, Dan Dare, Sherlock Holmes, and other boys' heroes in the pages of Hornet, Hotspur, Rover, Skipper, Victor, Wizard, etc, which (together with the Anglican Church) carried their misplaced pride through into adulthood.

It's only since Britain had its Empire wrested away from it and had to treat with former subjugated colonies on a basis of equality, that the enlightened among its establishment influencers and  leaders been forced to confront the many myths of its greatness and re-evaluate what it tells itself in its now diminished status...

[Calico Jack]

And welcome to the forum :hattip

Thank you. I'm pretty sure I got banned from here once some time ago so I'll try to be more careful.  

[cromwell]

I think this idea will definitely help. It will  help all those young BMEs to generate a sense  of ( And excuse for.)  resentment on the basis of "You stole my ancestral homelands." without acknowledging the benefits they received from it.



 "The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones." applies as much to the British Empire as it does to individuals.

And welcome to the forum :hattip

[Calico Jack]

I think this idea will definitely help. It will  help all those young BMEs to generate a sense  of ( And excuse for.)  resentment on the basis of "You stole my ancestral homelands." without acknowledging the benefits they received from it.



 "The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones." applies as much to the British Empire as it does to individuals.

[T00ts]

Toots and Cromwell well said  :thup:



It was very fortunate that we had some of the Empire left in 1939 or, the Snowflakes would now been speaking German or even Russian

 :hattip

[Churchill]

Toots and Cromwell well said  :thup:



It was very fortunate that we had some of the Empire left in 1939 or, the Snowflakes would now been speaking German or even Russian

[T00ts]

It occurs to me that Labour and their mindless cronies are hell bent on turning the snowflake generation and their future offspring into one giant lake of spineless gloop. For their own sakes, I hope those countries currently eyeing the prize of global domination don't put them on the spot because the way things are going they won't know what has hit them.

[cromwell]

It's important to have a accurate understanding of the UK's history rather than the rose-tinted view of British Imperialism which dominates public perceptions. It's more difficult to maintain attitudes of British exceptionalism when people are made aware of both the good and bad elements of British history.



Arguably these perceptions blind many to the problematic behaviour of contemporary UK. Just look at the governments continued sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia despite them being banned by the courts because the likelyhood of them being used in Yemen.



Furthermore their are obvious benefits in regards to improving the public understanding of why the UK enjoys such a diverse population.



There are however particular demographic who grew up on a diet of British exceptionalism who are going to find it very difficult to adapt their worldview and instead will choose to attack this proposal rather than change. This kind of stuff is right-wing catnip.

Oh for gods sake do you really think the majority in this country don't understand that there were pros and cons to the empire,injustices or that said empire is long gone?



Meanwhile privileged and sad old bearded duffer with his for the many not the few is bloody clueless to the lives of ordinary people,and sure there are a few who believe Britannia still rules the waves or that we can send a gunboat to cow the natives,as are those who believe in five year plans and haven't the wit to get beyond "oh Jeremy Corbyn" repeated ad nauseam when five year olds can remember and string together a much more entertaining ditty.



Update,forgot to add will the state supply us all foc sackcloth and ashes?

[T00ts]

It's important to have a accurate understanding of the UK's history rather than the rose-tinted view of British Imperialism which dominates public perceptions. It's more difficult to maintain attitudes of British exceptionalism when people are made aware of both the good and bad elements of British history.



Arguably these perceptions blind many to the problematic behaviour of contemporary UK. Just look at the governments continued sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia despite them being banned by the courts because the likelyhood of them being used in Yemen.



Furthermore their are obvious benefits in regards to improving the public understanding of why the UK enjoys such a diverse population.



There are however particular demographic who grew up on a diet of British exceptionalism who are going to find it very difficult to adapt their worldview and instead will choose to attack this proposal rather than change. This kind of stuff is right-wing catnip.

Why? Do you have kids? Why would anyone want to instil guilt in young people for actions of those hundreds of years ago at a time when they knew no better? Why when our kids are worried enough already about the future, do we need to burden them even further with needless indoctrination just to salve the national conscience? What will it achieve? Will it stop war? Will it stop other countries seeking power over their neighbours or will it go some way into reducing our kids and future adults into quivering wrecks? Hind sight is a great thing but absolutely pointless now.

For goodness sake let's get some common sense.

[Churchill]

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Great stuff. I feel guilty already  

Yes all our fault , its about time the Italians paid me compensation and apologised for invading my country dragging my ancestors off to row their galleys , fight in the arena, work as slaves on their farms, and as for the ruddy Normans well that William was a right Bastard, even on a good day ::

[Ciaphas]

It's important to have a accurate understanding of the UK's history rather than the rose-tinted view of British Imperialism which dominates public perceptions. It's more difficult to maintain attitudes of British exceptionalism when people are made aware of both the good and bad elements of British history.



Arguably these perceptions blind many to the problematic behaviour of contemporary UK. Just look at the governments continued sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia despite them being banned by the courts because the likelyhood of them being used in Yemen.



Furthermore their are obvious benefits in regards to improving the public understanding of why the UK enjoys such a diverse population.



There are however particular demographic who grew up on a diet of British exceptionalism who are going to find it very difficult to adapt their worldview and instead will choose to attack this proposal rather than change. This kind of stuff is right-wing catnip.

[Borchester]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50551765">//https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50551765%20%20



Great stuff. I feel guilty already