Mrs Thatcher Vs The Miners

[Nick]

Looks like someone is bitter and twisted about their lot.

[B-4]

He was there 25 years ago, do you really think the fees were 40 grand then? 😆

I think we're just playing with semantics here.  It doesn't really alter the point of the argument.

As for fantasy, you are basically saying he's privileged because he's doing ok. It's called hard work.

I don't recall ever saying that.  My posts clearly states that I am referring to his privileged silver spoon upbringing.  Sure, he had the unfortunate burden of having to knuckle down and make use of his expensive private education, but I'd hardly consider it hard graft like working down the mines.  I bet he has soft hands and a nice neat manicure. 

[Nick]

£41,709 per year".

He was there 25 years ago, do you really think the fees were 40 grand then? 😆

As for fantasy, you are basically saying he's privileged because he's doing ok. It's called hard work.

[B-4]

No, he's not privileged, his parents came from East Africa via the Punjab.  You know, those famous hot beds of affluent people. His father probably worked his arse off to make a better life for his family but don't let that get in the way of your fantasy.
And, tuition fees weren't 40 grand at Winchester college when he was there.

Apart from that everything you said was correct.

"Sunak attended Winchester College, an all-boys' public boarding school with fees of £41,709 per year".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Sunak

As for what his father probably did, one can only speculate.  However, that deflects from the point that he makes a terrible example for a working class community.  I'm unsure what you mean by my fantasy.

[Nick]

He's as privileged as they come and was sent to a private school that cost over forty thousand pounds a year. His silver spoon was also covered in diamonds.

No, he's not privileged, his parents came from East Africa via the Punjab.  You know, those famous hot beds of affluent people. His father probably worked his arse off to make a better life for his family but don't let that get in the way of your fantasy.
And, tuition fees weren't 40 grand at Winchester college when he was there.

Apart from that everything you said was correct.

[B-4]

No. They gave, or at least tried, to give the working classes education, three meals a day and indoor plumbing. This gave the workers the chance to look around, raise their sights and as often as not vote Tory. Of course, as often as not a lot of ethnics such as Priti Patel and Rishi Sunak did that automatically.

Hilarious, especially since they're now mostly ghettos and crammed with extremists which led to all that terrorism and crime.  As for education, I would say the very low standards, politicised indoctrination and over crowded classrooms have sent the schools backward.  Tuition fees for pointless degree courses created a lot of debt in England, but I am sure that can be spun into something positive by the Guardian.  Note the word mass-immigration in my post.  I was not referring to one or two individuals, that would be tokenising.  Also, anyone who believes Rishi Sunak could even be considered working class needs help IMO.  He's as privileged as they come and was sent to a private school that cost over forty thousand pounds a year. His silver spoon was also covered in diamonds.

[Borchester]

Didn't the Labour party all but destroy the old working class communities with mass-immigration?

No. They gave, or at least tried, to give the working classes education, three meals a day and indoor plumbing. This gave the workers the chance to look around, raise their sights and as often as not vote Tory. Of course, as often as not a lot of ethnics such as Priti Patel and Rishi Sunak did that automatically.

[B-4]

The tragedy is they still are drug ridden dumps.

Didn't the Labour party all but destroy the old working class communities with mass-immigration?

[Borchester]

I have on occasion for reasons I won't go in to consulted an MP, labour as it happens more interested  in trying to impress me with his dealings with a well known labour peer,Iwasnt (impressed that is) nor was it of much use.

A bit of a side issue, but back in the day one of my managers was a peer. Not much of a peer in that he was only a baronet but it satisfied him.

We treated him like shit. On one occasion his boss called us all together and more or less said, look here chaps and chapessess, nothing wrong with a bit of ragging but he is your manager after all so maybe you could ease off a bit. Which we did, but only for a bit. Sometimes he would get a call from some politico or other and we would ask if he had finished polishing his coronet or tiara (the Indian ladies in the office weren't up on the regalia of the British aristocracy but they liked to enter into the spirit of the thing) prior to passing on the call.

He wasn't a bad old skin but he really, really thought that being a peer was important and we thought that he deserved a regular kick in the balls for the good of his soul.

The thing was that he never seemed to realise that we had our own aristocracy, which was a very kind and rather foulmouthed lady who did endless work for the sick, the lame and the halt. When she got her MBE all the men in the office turned up in hats so that we could take them off as she was led through the office by the big boss. 

[papasmurf]

No everyone didn't know the mines would be shut anyway,

The factory I was working at in 1984 making coal mining related equipment shut down in 1986.
Personally I had predicted that circumstance and moved to Cornwall in May 1984. (With two 17.5% interest mortgages for three months. A worrying time.)

[cromwell]

I dare say that the government lied through its teeth, but no one believed it anyway and everyone knew that mines would close. Neil Kinnock summed it up best when he said that Thatcher and Scargill were the two people he could not stand and that they deserved each other. The real problem was that Thatcher laid her plans carefully while the best that Scargill could think up was to launch 100,000 good men against a 20 million ton mountain of coal.

No everyone didn't know the mines would be shut anyway,like many others Borky who worked in industries I saw the dark side of some Union people......more interested in excercising power than the welfare of their members and bosses who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

That the good men you (and women) talked of were so easily sacrificed and thrown aside and be in no doubt that there are communities still today never recovered from that.

Thomas struck a chord when he mentioned Jimmy Reid a man of more character than most,one time communist/ socialist who then became another who turned his back on labour.

I have on occasion for reasons I won't go in to consulted an MP, labour as it happens more interested  in trying to impress me with his dealings with a well known labour peer,Iwasnt (impressed that is) nor was it of much use.

[Borchester]

Who said it was immediate?.....there was denial that the industry was to be shut down and scargill was right despite all else and the govt of the day and bosses knew their intentions and lied about it.

Whatever else smurfy is correct many mining communities were left to rot and turned in to drug ridden dumps which were once proud working places.

I dare say that the government lied through its teeth, but no one believed it anyway and everyone knew that mines would close. Neil Kinnock summed it up best when he said that Thatcher and Scargill were the two people he could not stand and that they deserved each other. The real problem was that Thatcher laid her plans carefully while the best that Scargill could think up was to launch 100,000 good men against a 20 million ton mountain of coal.

[Sheepy]

And them striking, the NUM constantly hiking their money up ultimately made them uneconomical and the government look for alternatives. To a large part they were the architect of their own demise.

Spiteful politics is nothing new Nick, neither are excuses for it.

[Nick]

Who said it was immediate?.....there was denial that the industry was to be shut down and scargill was right despite all else and the govt of the day and bosses knew their intentions and lied about it.

Whatever else smurfy is correct many mining communities were left to rot and turned in to drug ridden dumps which were once proud working places.

And them striking, the NUM constantly hiking their money up ultimately made them uneconomical and the government look for alternatives. To a large part they were the architect of their own demise.

[papasmurf]

Whatever else smurfy is correct many mining communities were left to rot and turned in to drug ridden dumps which were once proud working places.

The tragedy is they still are drug ridden dumps.