Russian influence in NHS papers leak?

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Churchill

#12
December 03, 2019, 06:25:50 PM
Allegedly the Tory Manifesto states categorically that the NHS is not for sale full stop
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papasmurf

#11
December 03, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
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If you say so, they are certainly taking their time about it . :roll:


The desire is there it is the fear of what would happen at the general election following them doing it that is the only thing stopping them.
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Churchill

#10
December 03, 2019, 06:00:55 PM
If you say so, they are certainly taking their time about it . :roll:
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papasmurf

#9
December 03, 2019, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=8193 time=1575395544 user_id=69
The Tories have consistently stated the NHS is not for sale


Evidence going back until the 1980s shows they are liars.
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Churchill

#8
December 03, 2019, 05:52:24 PM
The Tories have consistently stated the NHS is not for sale any Party that tried it would not stay in power, now either Labour is lying or the Tories are
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papasmurf

#7
December 03, 2019, 05:48:45 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=8185 time=1575394015 user_id=69
Then why is there doubt about it by some? from what I gather this is at least a year old


There is no doubt about it from Tory minsters. Tories wanting to sell of the NHS goes back as far as when Peter Lilley was benefits minister.

American health insurance companies have been trying to buy the NHS since that time. They have also on and off been trying to take over the entire UK welfare system.

This memo is just an example, I suggest reading all of it.



https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmworpen/616/616we37.htm">https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... 16we37.htm">https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmworpen/616/616we37.htm
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Churchill

#6
December 03, 2019, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=8176 time=1575392007 user_id=89
It is the same as has been released by the Tories but without the redactions. The Tories have not denied it is genuine.


Then why is there doubt about it by some? from what I gather this is at least a year old
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papasmurf

#5
December 03, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=8171 time=1575390933 user_id=69
Until we can be assured where the document came from and who the author is, how can anyone be sure its the genuine article


It is the same as has been released by the Tories but without the redactions. The Tories have not denied it is genuine.
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Churchill

#4
December 03, 2019, 04:35:33 PM
Until we can be assured where the document came from and who the author is, how can anyone be sure its the genuine article
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Ciaphas

#3
December 03, 2019, 04:31:21 PM
Hillarious that this weak speculation is taken seriously while the contents of the document aren't.

papasmurf

#2
December 03, 2019, 04:18:56 PM
Quote from: Barry post_id=8162 time=1575385071 user_id=51
Very likely according to https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-leak-of-jeremy-corbyns-nhs-papers-raises-spectre-of-foreign-influence-11877000">this report in Sky News.





Makes a change to the allegations against the Tories.


I had a precis of the several hundred pages long document emailed to me the day before Corbyn waved it about in public. How anyone can suggest the Russians are behind the leak frankly beggars belief.

It came from a "save our NHS" group who send me information and begging emails once or twice a week.
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Barry

#1
December 03, 2019, 02:57:51 PM
Very likely according to https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-leak-of-jeremy-corbyns-nhs-papers-raises-spectre-of-foreign-influence-11877000">this report in Sky News.


QuoteBen Nimmo, head of investigations at Graphika, said: "It's on the same set of websites (as Secondary Infektion), it's using the same types of accounts and making the same language errors.



"It's either the Russian operation or someone trying hard to look like it."

Makes a change to the allegations against the Tories.
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