Vaccination is voluntary stupid!

[patman post]

Would this have anything to do with it being leaked that over 75% of patients in one hospital were double jabbed?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/delta-variant-spreads-as-quickly-as-chickenpox-even-among-vaccinated-leaked-cdc-data-concludes/ar-AAMJETa?ocid=msedgntp
No worries I have had chicken pox twice.

Not quite what your link says: 
Still unpublished research cited by the document also pointed out that people who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 might spread the Delta variant at a rate similar to their unvaccinated counterparts.
The document, however, said vaccinated people are safer, with the risk of severe disease or death decreasing 10-fold and the risk of contracting infection reducing as much as three times.
"Vaccines prevent more than 90 per cent of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing infection or transmission. Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination," it said

[papasmurf]

No worries I have had chicken pox twice.

So have I which is why I had a "shingles" jab two years ago. (That is voluntary.)

[Sheepy]

Would this have anything to do with it being leaked that over 75% of patients in one hospital were double jabbed?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/delta-variant-spreads-as-quickly-as-chickenpox-even-among-vaccinated-leaked-cdc-data-concludes/ar-AAMJETa?ocid=msedgntp
No worries I have had chicken pox twice.

[Sheepy]

"Coaxing and Cajoling" wouldn't be coercion to take an experimental treatment, would it? 

I guess the propaganda machine will be in overdrive then.

[papasmurf]

"Coaxing and Cajoling" wouldn't be coercion to take an experimental treatment, would it? 

What "experimental treatment?" (seriously.)

[Barry]

"Coaxing and Cajoling" wouldn't be coercion to take an experimental treatment, would it? 

[Sheepy]

No shit Sherlock.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/government-to-use-stick-and-carrot-to-encourage-young-people-to-get-the-covid-19-vaccine-by-end-of-the-summer/ar-AAMIhHc?ocid=msedgntp

[Sheepy]

Cheers in other words contention no proven. More research needed.

Barry would never have guessed.

[papasmurf]

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563

Cheers in other words contention no proven. More research needed.

[Barry]

Actually it would, if it were credible scientific research. (I would also point out immunity and resistance are two very different things.)

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563

[Sampanviking]

Except for the time travel remark, I think that's what I'm saying...

In which case I misunderstood you and for which I apologise.

[Scott777]

Not quite sure what you are saying here Scott, the Lab escape theory is a conspiracy theory as there is no evidence to support it. My previous posts on the subject (if this is what you are referring too) have been rebuttals to the Wuhan Lab escape conspiracy theory, by pointing out that there is not even circumstantial evidence to support a leak in Wuhan, but there is a shed load of circumstantial evidence to support a theory for Lab Leak at Fort Detrick in Maryland. None of it though is definitive proof, as the US Govt. refuses to release details relating to the leak or subsequent illnesses nearby.

What is real proof though is the existence of Covid 19 antibodies in a measurable percentage of the US population by November 2019. This is not a conspiracy theory, these are facts released through official US channels.

I suppose my point is, whether it began in Wuhan (amid US funding) or the US, it was inevitably covered up, and it would be foolish to think governments would not attempt to impose systems of control on their populations such as bodily inserted digital ID, whether it's in a vaccine or a quantum dye tattoo, and hide the true methods or objectives.

[patman post]

Your Italy study states that cases were being found in samples dating back to September 2019. So unless this virus can really travel backwards in time.....

Except for the time travel remark, I think that's what I'm saying...

[Sampanviking]

There's certainly plenty of circumstantial evidence to illustrate that Covid-19 was widespread in the UK before the March 23 lockdown. The reason it took hold was the cavalier attitude of Johnson and the UK government — though Barry's assumption harks back to research that's over a year old.

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/over-25-of-the-uk-likely-to-have-had-covid-19-already/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13528


How and why Wuhn was the originating site of Covid is reported in more recent research. It's not certain it resulted from weapons  research, but it is most likely to have come from a lab where it was being studied. How it escaped into the environment is still speculation, and may not even be known by anyone.   
A fairly concise appraisal can be found below:

https://besacenter.org/covid19-origin/ 


And it looks like Italy had cases way ahead of reports first surfacing in early 2020....


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33176598/

Your Italy study states that cases were being found in samples dating back to September 2019. So unless this virus can really travel backwards in time.....

[cromwell]

Actually it would, if it were credible scientific research. (I would also point out immunity and resistance are two very different things.)

Quite right,I am immune to your many complaints of personal attacks which are usually nothing of the sort and so have built up a resistance to tell you so (till now)