The ugly and virtually derelict state of much of Britain

[Wiggles]

Wiggles stop writing complete total and utter bollocks. Yet again you prove you know precise eff all about how the benefits works.

You are a very nasty Troll.

and you are a scrounger,obviously

[Baron von Lotsov]

Papasmurf - what is Cornwall like these days?



I was researching the topic of the thread some time back when looking around Devon and noticed infrastructure and private dwellings alike looked like they had not been updated since the 50s. I saw none of that sparking new 150m Olympic stuff like the place on Oxford Road in Manchester. Government money seemed to have forgotten Devon even exists. So is it the same in Cornwall?

[papasmurf]

Stop kidding yourself, you know as well as I do there are hundreds of thousands of people who chose to live on benefits because they are no better off working. I have given you several examples, and can give you more, however, as you chose to disbelieve them all, and refuse to admit you have your own examples, I won't bother !

Wiggles stop writing complete total and utter bollocks. Yet again you prove you know precise eff all about how the benefits works.

You are a very nasty Troll.

[Wiggles]

What "overgenerous" welfare system?



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/792946/Benefit_and_pension_rates_2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/792946/Benefit_and_pension_rates_2019.pdf

Stop kidding yourself, you know as well as I do there are hundreds of thousands of people who chose to live on benefits because they are no better off working. I have given you several examples, and can give you more, however, as you chose to disbelieve them all, and refuse to admit you have your own examples, I won't bother !

[Baron von Lotsov]

I have said it many time on many forums, but the basis of all our problems are the huge population, and the over generous welfare system. The taxes we pay are enormous, yet the government still don't have nearly enough money to give us the infrastructure we require for the volume of people. The income tax paid in this country is less than what's paid out by the welfare system (FACT). In short, we need less people, but people who have something to offer. Of course, that isn't simple, and it's not something that can change overnight, but if we continue to allow the population to grow and get older, then anything we do is futile.

I think it is about 5-10 times more expensive to build a building here compared to China, even if you discount the cost of land. Whilst this country is fighting each other regarding wealth redistribution in a highly distorted and corrupted market, we fail to understand the other factors. A really obvious one you will have noticed in recent years is that for any work, one has to erect a large scaffolding structure. What most people don't see is the rest of the book. You see we could build buildings faster in the past.



For major projects like nuclear power stations we are paying a much greater cost than what other countries pay for the same thing. I checked this out myself regarding Hinckley Point. I got the figure of what it was going to cost us and then looked to see what the firm providing the reactor charges in other countries. They quoted 5 billion euros, and I think Hinkley is like twice the size, so double that and you get the standard fee. They have stitched us up something rotten though in a horrible deal which fixes the price of electricity above the market rate, and way into the future. That power station has been a feast for bureaucrats everywhere, like blood suckers. All they need to increase their profits are a few environmental protesters, forcing yet another enquiry and in turn numerous more studies and other crap.

[papasmurf]

The money we spend keeping your friends on benefits.

I don't have millions of friends and benefits because of bad employers who pay low wages are for millions of people in work.

[Borchester]

What "overgenerous" welfare system?



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/792946/Benefit_and_pension_rates_2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/792946/Benefit_and_pension_rates_2019.pdf

The money we spend keeping your friends on benefits.

[papasmurf]

I have said it many time on many forums, but the basis of all our problems are the huge population, and the over generous welfare system.

What "overgenerous" welfare system?



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/792946/Benefit_and_pension_rates_2019.pdf">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/792946/Benefit_and_pension_rates_2019.pdf

[Wiggles]

I have said it many time on many forums, but the basis of all our problems are the huge population, and the over generous welfare system. The taxes we pay are enormous, yet the government still don't have nearly enough money to give us the infrastructure we require for the volume of people. The income tax paid in this country is less than what's paid out by the welfare system (FACT). In short, we need less people, but people who have something to offer. Of course, that isn't simple, and it's not something that can change overnight, but if we continue to allow the population to grow and get older, then anything we do is futile.

[Baron von Lotsov]

WW2 was not the only thing to wreck the country either. The Reform Act of 1832 was brought in to make democracy fairer, where rotten boroughs were got rid of. You'd have thought Bristolians would have cheered. Nope.

1831 Riot



In 1831 Queen Square was the focus of a riot, in which half the buildings in the square were destroyed.[16] The trigger for this was the arrival in Bristol of Recorder Sir Charles Wetherell, who misjudged Bristolians' support for some of his earlier positions to mean that they agreed with his opposition to the Reform Bill.[17] Wetherell arrived in Bristol on 29 October 1831 and was received by a mob who jeered and threw stones at him. At the Guildhall, he inflamed the situation by threatening to imprison any member of the mob who could be identified; they followed him to the Mansion House in Queen Square from which he was able to escape in disguise.[18]



The Mayor and Corporation, who actually supported reform, remained trapped in the Mansion House.[18] Their appeals for help fell on deaf ears; Bristolians despised the Corporation and were not inclined to defend them. To make things worse, as soon as the dignitaries were inside the Mansion House the Special Constables who had been defending them set about getting their own back on the crowd, reviving the disturbance.[19] There followed three days of rioting, looting and arson, fuelled by plentiful supplies of alcohol from the well-stocked cellars of residents, which were finally brought to a halt when Lieutenant-Colonel Thomas Brereton of the 14th Dragoons led a charge with drawn swords through the mob. Hundreds were killed and wounded and the mob dispersed. Brereton was later court-martialled for leniency because he had initially refused to open fire on the crowds, but shot himself before the conclusion of his trial.[20][21]



About 100 people involved were tried in January 1832 by Chief Justice Tindal.[22] Four men were hanged, despite a petition of 10,000 Bristolian signatures which was given to King William IV.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Square,_Bristol">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Square,_Bristol



We snub the Chinese for Tiananmen Square, but we set the example over one and a half centuries before in Queen Square.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Here's an interesting one.





https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4553316,-2.5897563,3a,15y,50.27h,96.65t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPNjbHhKMk0YtI_MoYZ9nCWKdklg5rOHR2wXfHb!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPNjbHhKMk0YtI_MoYZ9nCWKdklg5rOHR2wXfHb%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya275.59763-ro-0-fo100!7i8000!8i4000">https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.45533 ... 000!8i4000">https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4553316,-2.5897563,3a,15y,50.27h,96.65t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPNjbHhKMk0YtI_MoYZ9nCWKdklg5rOHR2wXfHb!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPNjbHhKMk0YtI_MoYZ9nCWKdklg5rOHR2wXfHb%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya275.59763-ro-0-fo100!7i8000!8i4000



This is in the centre of Bristol where they have a small park with benches, and as you look around this church in the middle, you do get the distinct view that this is a quality piece of architecture, and it is right slap bang in the middle of tourism central.



For some reason, better known to Bristol Council than myself, it lacks a roof.



The pattern is a familiar one. Old buildings, if maintained, have a superior aesthetic than do the new ones. The more modern you get the more it looks like a brick, i.e. no imagination and something an alien might think if they had no other evidence to understand us by, would see it as a degeneration of the culture, much like it was during the fall of Rome during the dark ages of 500AD onwards. They never managed to improve on the old. The best they could do was to preserve the old, and even they did a better job of preservation than what we are looking at!



Ah, having checked apparently it has been without a roof since WW2. I guess fixing the roof of Bristol Council was the highest priority after 1945.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Well oddly enough I think I did quite well to keep out of warehouses. Some of my friends and I at one time organised one of the first Ibiza clubs, but in Portugal, and when we were there the ball was in the other court. It was up to us to decide where we did it. We opted for a beach club with a sea view and palm trees. You can spot the difference.



Anyhow these kids are getting a rotten deal. They pay big money to enter these industrial buildings.



This is a club I used to go to in Manchester. It's a venue built in the days when Manchester was prosperous.



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The crazy thing was the entrance to that was a fraction of what these kids pay to spend the night in that dump in Bristol.



Oh here's the link to the pics. It's quite interesting reading itself. We were there in the early 90s when it was "alternative".

http://www.manchestersfinest.com/uncategorized/building-secrets-ritz/">http://www.manchestersfinest.com/uncate ... rets-ritz/">http://www.manchestersfinest.com/uncategorized/building-secrets-ritz/

[Groo]

Streetview is the best way to inspect the state of the country.



Fancy a night out on the town?



This link should land you at the entrance of Bristol's premier nightclub. Well that's what Time Out say it is.



https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B026%2757.7%22N+2%C2%B034%2734.8%22W/@51.4496783,-2.5759846,3a,75y,236h,94.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8ySVlEBMNKmnWila2Afx9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.449356!4d-2.576324">https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2 ... d-2.576324">https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B026'57.7%22N+2%C2%B034'34.8%22W/@51.4496783,-2.5759846,3a,75y,236h,94.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8ySVlEBMNKmnWila2Afx9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.449356!4d-2.576324

Sort of place I used to frequent in my younger days

[Baron von Lotsov]

What do you expect a Satellite filming you street real time 24/7 I have just looked at my house and that was taken less than a year ago when I changed the front garden layout and my neighbour new car he bought last year.



If you want real time with Google Maps you can if you have an account with them

See the poster on the wall. 25/08/18.



It's pretty up-to-date.

[Churchill]

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