Afghanistan - greatest foreign policy disaster of a generation?

[cromwell]

He doesn't have one, but who cares as the more they come the more the systems gets broken down. Ain't rocket science is it?

And I asked it on another thread
You replace it with what?

[Sheepy]

But it seems your opinions are not echoed in India: —


https://www.telegraphindia.com/world/indias-worry-afghanistan-could-again-become-a-terror-launchpad/cid/1826521


https://news.yrp.com.np/india-worried-about-deteriorating-situation-in-afghanistan-expressed-hope-for-ceasefire/


https://www.dawn.com/news/1618387#:~:text=India's%20big%20worry%20is%20that%20instability%20in%20Afghanistan,a%20dominant%20role%20once%20the%20United%20States%20leaves.


https://thediplomat.com/2021/07/india-should-talk-to-china-about-afghanistan/


And it's the perceptions of countries around Afghanistan — including India, which claims the 160 km border of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir with Afghanistan — that are, I suggest, highly relevant...

Give it a rest Pat, you ain't likely to be joining the Indian army and fighting the hordes at the border.

[Sheepy]

Feck me, am I speaking double frigging Dutch or something?
Call me Smurphy.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-says-ready-for-friendly-relations-with-taliban/vi-AANnqh0?ocid=msedgntp

[Sampanviking]

But it seems your opinions are not echoed in India: —


https://www.telegraphindia.com/world/indias-worry-afghanistan-could-again-become-a-terror-launchpad/cid/1826521


https://news.yrp.com.np/india-worried-about-deteriorating-situation-in-afghanistan-expressed-hope-for-ceasefire/


https://www.dawn.com/news/1618387#:~:text=India's%20big%20worry%20is%20that%20instability%20in%20Afghanistan,a%20dominant%20role%20once%20the%20United%20States%20leaves.


https://thediplomat.com/2021/07/india-should-talk-to-china-about-afghanistan/


And it's the perceptions of countries around Afghanistan — including India, which claims the 160 km border of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir with Afghanistan — that are, I suggest, highly relevant...

Here we go, Bl**din India again.
Well the Taliban are seen as friends with Pakistan and therefore they dont like any success that the Taliban has in Afghanistan as they equate it with a Geopolitical gain for Pakistan. India certainly openly supported the US Installed Regime in Kabul, most likely to be seen to be opposing Pakistani interests.
Once again, India can claim whatever it likes and has disputes with its neighbours on pretty much all its land borders. India controlled Territory is hundreds of miles from the Pakistan/Afghan border and there are no instances of which I am aware in which Afghans have launched attacks in India.
The main terrorist attacks that have come out of Pakistan to attack India all seem more to do with the Kashmir, to which you keep wittering.

Btw the Indian press should be reserved purely for light entertainment purposes only, The Jai Hind talent for Hubris and BS is something that needs to be seen to be truly believed.
India has no skin left in the game and controls no direct border with Afghanistan, it is irrelevant in any decisions or agreements which may now subsequently be reached with those countries that have.

[papasmurf]

So I guess you're not one who's joining in with the crowd claiming the Foreign Secretary shouldn't have been on holiday while all this is going on...

I would be happier if Dominic Raab was on a permanent holiday.

[patman post]

Can anyone see any point at all in Bojo-The-Clown recalling Parliament next Wednesday?

So I guess you're not one who's joining in with the crowd claiming the Foreign Secretary shouldn't have been on holiday while all this is going on...

[papasmurf]

And your solution to this is?

Ask Bojo-The-Clown that question.

[patman post]

The point being as Indian forces and Indian controlled territories are hundreds of miles from the Afghan Pakistan border, the likelihood of overspill into India is none existent.

But it seems your opinions are not echoed in India: —

https://www.telegraphindia.com/world/indias-worry-afghanistan-could-again-become-a-terror-launchpad/cid/1826521

https://news.yrp.com.np/india-worried-about-deteriorating-situation-in-afghanistan-expressed-hope-for-ceasefire/

https://www.dawn.com/news/1618387#:~:text=India

https://thediplomat.com/2021/07/india-should-talk-to-china-about-afghanistan/


And it's the perceptions of countries around Afghanistan — including India, which claims the 160 km border of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir with Afghanistan — that are, I suggest, highly relevant...

[DeppityDawg]

No mate and I wasn't having a go at you,war ain't pretty but wtf do I know I ain't experienced it......you have.

In the end mate, none of our rules or moral sensibilities matter a feck in Afghanistan anymore. We can't offer any assistance to its people now, because we lost both the war and the will to fight it, so it's no good now any of us complaining about the Taliban. They have more legitimacy there than we do. We can have whatever morals we like, but if we don't control the real estate or the apparatus of power, it means feck all

It could have been different, but our enemies have no fear of us because they know how it will all play out. We'll send our forces in blindfold with one hand tied behind their backs and we'll hammer them the second a mistake is made. The ambulance chasing will go on for decades afterwards and we'll be left with another generation of soldiers and former soldiers with burdens they'll have to carry for the rest of their lives. Meanwhile the politicians hide from the results of their policies. This is how these conflicts always play out. It was always simply a waiting game for the Taliban, because everyone has seen it all before.

[Sheepy]

And your solution to this is?

He doesn't have one, but who cares as the more they come the more the systems gets broken down. Ain't rocket science is it?

[Sampanviking]

Bit of shameless Chinese Propaganda just for Cromwell

Deleted by Barry as the video link was invalid

[Sheepy]

Can you point me towards other examples of this that you have in mind?

Which parts of Africa and South America and Asia would you like pointing out very amusing Miss Saigon?

[Sampanviking]

Anyway, here is what I reckon, a popular uprising or whatever you call it wasn't that difficult after 20 years of war, who wouldn't be fecked off by now, the Chinese will do what they do everywhere after war has ground people down, which is create a popular uprising from behind the scenes using their influence elsewhere gained through the belt and road initiative, they will then put in a government who have won through said popular uprising and then set about showing the rest of the world how successful their initiative is. They might get the odd few Chinese blown up in a bus in Pakistan for instance, but all the greater good in the end. How do I know that, because they follow a set path, which is very successful.

Well it sounds like a credible Chinese style strategy, Build and Educate, rather than bomb, kill and destroy, but I am struggling with the words "What they do everywhere after war has ground people down"?? Can you point me towards other examples of this that you have in mind?

Anyway from the BBC today

Eyewitnesses have told the BBC that at least two civilians have been killed as hundreds of people attempting to leave Afghanistan continued to gather at Kabul's international airport.

US troops, who have taken over the airport as evacuations out of the city continue, had reportedly fired in the air to scatter the crowds earlier on Monday morning.

Reuters news agency puts the death toll higher, with one witness saying he had seen the bodies of five people being carried to a vehicle. Another said it was unclear whether the victims had been shot or killed in a stampede.

So making a judgement built of precedence, it seems that the US has started shooting Afghan civilians, that get in the way of the evacuation of their own Ivy Leaguers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-58219963

Now where is my copy of Miss Saigon?

[Sheepy]

Deny that one SPV I dare you.

[Sheepy]

Anyway, here is what I reckon, a popular uprising or whatever you call it wasn't that difficult after 20 years of war, who wouldn't be fecked off by now, the Chinese will do what they do everywhere after war has ground people down, which is create a popular uprising from behind the scenes using their influence elsewhere gained through the belt and road initiative, they will then put in a government who have won through said popular uprising and then set about showing the rest of the world how successful their initiative is. They might get the odd few Chinese blown up in a bus in Pakistan for instance, but all the greater good in the end. How do I know that, because they follow a set path, which is very successful.