The fifth columnists of the SNP

[Thomas]

No implication with regards to the opinion polls, I hope you get Indy2.
Wee Jimmy playing silly buggers knowing full well that she isn't going to push the Indy button now with the figures how they are.
Is there a direct correlation between the Indy2 vote intension and her stock? Cause she seems to be on the way down quite rapidly at the moment.

She is coming under massive pressure to get on with another indy ref from within the yes movement.

We started off around 25 % last time , and got to 45 % , so a 50 /50 split will do me fine as a starting point nick.

...and of course growing demand for scotland to rejoin the EU is going down very well nick...

Alyn Smith MP for Stirling says 'independence in Europe is the answer to the problems that Scotland has'

Joining the European Union as an independent nation would "put rocket boosters" on Scotland's coronavirus recovery, a senior SNP MP has claimed.

Alyn Smith, the party's foreign affairs spokesman, said that currently firms were having to try to survive the Covid-19 pandemic at the same time as coping with the fallout from Brexit.

He told how the decision to leave the EU had caused shortages within the labour market and resulted in empty supermarket shelves across the country.

But Mr Smith said: "Getting back into the European Union would put rocket boosters on our recovery from Covid."

He added: "We can do better than we are doing right now. Independence in Europe is the answer to the problems that Scotland has."

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/rejoining-the-eu-would-put-rocket-boosters-on-an-independent-scottish-economy-says-snp-mp/126481

[Nick]

sorry i havent follwed the thread so not sure what you re implying nick but the latest poll has indy in the lead...

Opinium / Sky News poll:

Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes 51% (+1)
No 49% (-1)

and in your new stateman tracker , you have the latest showing 48.2 % supporting indy , so as a starting point in the new campagin for indy i would take that all day long.

What s the tories so chickenshit scared of if you are so sure of winning anyway?

Who are the tories anyway? A party that got 21.9 % of the constituency vote in scotland telling us what we can and can't do from the comfort of another country really is going down well with the scottish public . The anti demcoratic tories and thier laughable politics.

Did you see the tory branch manager in scotland wee drossie supports covid vaccine passports in england and is against them in scotland? What a bell end of a politician.

No implication with regards to the opinion polls, I hope you get Indy2.
Wee Jimmy playing silly buggers knowing full well that she isn't going to push the Indy button now with the figures how they are.
Is there a direct correlation between the Indy2 vote intension and her stock? Cause she seems to be on the way down quite rapidly at the moment.

[Thomas]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2021/06/scottish-independence-poll-tracker-will-scotland-vote-leave-uk

sorry i havent follwed the thread so not sure what you re implying nick but the latest poll has indy in the lead...

Opinium / Sky News poll:

Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes 51% (+1)
No 49% (-1)

and in your new stateman tracker , you have the latest showing 48.2 % supporting indy , so as a starting point in the new campagin for indy i would take that all day long.

What s the tories so chickenshit scared of if you are so sure of winning anyway?

Who are the tories anyway? A party that got 21.9 % of the constituency vote in scotland telling us what we can and cant do from the comfort of another country really is going down well with the scottish public . The anti demcoratic tories and thier laughable politics.

Did you see the tory branch manager in scotland wee drossie supports covid vaccine passports in england and is against them in scotland? What a bell end of a politician.

[Nick]

You made the statement,you back it up. Wikipedia has a page recording the results of Independence Polls. Check it out.
Your use of the word 'tanked' suggests support has dropped dramatically. In truth most Polls, taking into account the margin of error, suggest the sides are neck & neck

I would say going from 54% yes / 46% no to 52% no / 48% yes is tanking. Yes has gone from an 8 point lead to a 4 point deficit, a 12 point switch is a fairly drastic change don't you think? I'd say it's dropped off a cliff.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2021/06/scottish-independence-poll-tracker-will-scotland-vote-leave-uk

[srb7677]

That's because the EU is a socialist construct, even communist leaning and we don't want to pay for the elite to rule over the poor plebs.

That truly is a ridiculous and silly statement, clearly an imaginary construct of your own mind divorced from any actual reality.

[morayloon]

The fact you haven't produced the figures to prove me wrong tells us all we need to know. 😉

You made the statement,you back it up. Wikipedia has a page recording the results of Independence Polls. Check it out.
Your use of the word 'tanked' suggests support has dropped dramatically. In truth most Polls, taking into account the margin of error, suggest the sides are neck & neck

[morayloon]

The fishing industry collapsed when they brought in quotas. Fishermen had to show their catch for a certain period and the quota was set based on that. Problem was they'd ALL been lying to HMRC for years about how much they'd caught so couldn't argue the portray quota they were given.

Heath pre-dated that.

[morayloon]

That's because the EU is a socialist construct, even communist leaning and we don't want to pay for the elite to rule over the poor plebs.

WTF do you think is happening in the UK with all those old Etonians and those who went to other public schools?
Your ridiculous description of the EU is just that ... ridiculous!!!

[Nick]

Has it? Do enlighten me

The fact you haven't produced the figures to prove me wrong tells us all we need to know. 😉

[Nick]

The fishing industry was sold down the river by the Tories when we entered the EEC.

The fishing industry collapsed when they brought in quotas. Fishermen had to show their catch for a certain period and the quota was set based on that. Problem was they'd ALL been lying to HMRC for years about how much they'd caught so couldn't argue the portray quota they were given.

[Barry]

The UK was always going to pay in more than it received. Basically that was the idea of the EU, the richer states helping the poorer ones. The majority of English people, it turned out, resented it. The majority of Scots accepted the reality of the situation.

That's because the EU is a socialist construct, even communist leaning and we don't want to pay for the elite to rule over the poor plebs.

[Sheepy]

The Heath Government stuffed the Fishing industry as part of the deal to ENTER the ECC. Later Governments have seen the industry as expendable and finally, Brexit has continued the cavalier attitude. Banff & Buchan was, anecdotally, the only Scottish constituency to back Brexit. In 2017 the good fishing people of Peterhead, Fraserburgh etc, turfed out the SNP. In 2019 the Tories increased their majority, against the pattern in Scotland which saw a resurgent SNP. And all because they believed the Tory propaganda. The chickens have come home to roost. The old adage, never Trust a Tory, has never been truer. 

Aye well so in actual fact I was stating facts, rather a rare thing these days, The Westminster party handed control of the fishing industry to Brussels, who then set about wanton destruction, what I do believe that many Scots have actually seen some of the light regarding Brussels because the English were willing to take all the pain and backlash.

[morayloon]

The article in the Scotsman said 42% were for independence, 49% against and the remaining 9% wanted to re introduce dwarf throwing, starting with little Nick.

Overall Moray, it is hard not to escape the impression that right now, the SNP are a bit buggered.

If you look at this year's Polls on Independence, there are two stand out things.
1. the Scotland in Union Polls
2. The Scotsman's Com Res polls
Both underplay the strength of the cause. Other companies have much closer results.
The last Scotsman Poll before May's election completely got SNP support wrong, suggesting only 42% backing. The company has a habit of underestimating Independence and SNP support. You have to look at more than one Poll to get an indication to what is happening. Your choice of Polls, of couse, was chosen because it fits in with your narrative.

[morayloon]

I see, so you don't know then, but you do know the Westminster party destroyed the Scottish fishing industry although they had handed control to Brussels. Interesting stuff moray, I can see now how Wee Krankie is working it now. Thanks.

The Heath Government stuffed the Fishing industry as part of the deal to ENTER the ECC. Later Governments have seen the industry as expendable and finally, Brexit has continued the cavalier attitude. Banff & Buchan was, anecdotally, the only Scottish constituency to back Brexit. In 2017 the good fishing people of Peterhead, Fraserburgh etc, turfed out the SNP. In 2019 the Tories increased their majority, against the pattern in Scotland which saw a resurgent SNP. And all because they believed the Tory propaganda. The chickens have come home to roost. The old adage, never Trust a Tory, has never been truer. 

[Borchester]

Has it? Do enlighten me

The article in the Scotsman said 42% were for independence, 49% against and the remaining 9% wanted to re introduce dwarf throwing, starting with little Nick.

Overall Moray, it is hard not to escape the impression that right now, the SNP are a bit buggered.