It's gonna be a cold lonely winter

[papasmurf]

With gas shortages, and the govt now subsidising CO2 production, why did we stop fracking

Fortunately fracking for gas in Britain never got started.

[patman post]

With gas shortages, and the govt now subsidising CO2 production, why did we stop fracking and discourage petrol engined cars?   We need both to keep and cook our headless chickens. 

The world seems to have gone mad... 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2021/sep/21/food-industry-uk-shortages-co2-crisis-gas-meat-poultry-stock-markets-factories-business-live

[Sheepy]

Re Russia and Nord Stream 2
The yanks are furious that the Germans and other EU countries have backed the project which should be finished and pumping before the end of the year. Seems the yanks managed a bit of guerilla action in the EP last week, but nothing that had more than headline effect.
If Russia is holding back supply its most likely down to last ditch diverting by the Ukrainians from existing pipelines before they lose the ability to do so.

The US is offering to sell us all LNG shipped over in tankers and costing about four times as much as the gas from Russian pipes.
Nordstream 2 will be cheaper again, as it no longer has to pay transit fees to Kiev.

I know like taking candy from a baby. Joe will be having a nap at the moment which what the US voted for so all good then.

[Sampanviking]

Re Russia and Nord Stream 2
The yanks are furious that the Germans and other EU countries have backed the project which should be finished and pumping before the end of the year. Seems the yanks managed a bit of guerilla action in the EP last week, but nothing that had more than headline effect.
If Russia is holding back supply its most likely down to last ditch diverting by the Ukrainians from existing pipelines before they lose the ability to do so.

The US is offering to sell us all LNG shipped over in tankers and costing about four times as much as the gas from Russian pipes.
Nordstream 2 will be cheaper again, as it no longer has to pay transit fees to Kiev.

[Barry]

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Which perhaps might make people think we need to slow down the launch of electric cars, until we have the power production and infrastructure to actually charge them all.

Net zero sounds such a lovely idea, but if we do it, there will probably be a lot less people in the country.
Unless we build a lot of nuclear power stations, they will be dying in their millions in the winter.
If we start building 6 now, we might be OK in 15 years when they are up and running.

[Sheepy]

I would not ride a bicycle where I live, it is far too dangerous, the nearest takeaway if five miles away a very dangerous ride even more so after dark.

WTF does your fear of riding a bike around Cornish lanes after dark actually have to do with anything you are in your 70's anyway. It is pure madness.

[papasmurf]

WTF?

I would not ride a bicycle where I live, it is far too dangerous, the nearest takeaway if five miles away a very dangerous ride even more so after dark.

[Sheepy]

Given the distance from where I live takeaway bicycle delivery is a not starter, plus after dark I suspect anyone doing such deliveries would have a short like expectancy, due to the narrow and dangerous roads.

WTF?

[papasmurf]

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Which is rather royally distant from the deliveroo cyclist at the burger joint up the road being rung at 8 to say "stay at home you ain't needed"

Given the distance from where I live takeaway bicycle delivery is a not starter, plus after dark I suspect anyone doing such deliveries would have a short like expectancy, due to the narrow and dangerous roads.

[johnofgwent]

Informed sources from within the sector say that it's the other way round, at least in this area. A lot of genuine hardship cases and a few who try it on - usually those are the same people over and over, so they get to be known to the system.

The idea of zero hours contracts might suit some people, with the flexibility they offer. But if the contract 1) requires you to be available for work for, say 40 hours per week, 2) prohibits you from doing any other work and / or 3) requires you to work when they want but not when you want, then it's bad.

Shit, I'm going to have to give this hobby up I'm starting to agree with you....


Yeah, the fact is in the same way there are a near negligibly small number of people whose work / life commitments mean they can comfortably commute to work in a first generation Nissan Leaf charged overnight for 6p (no, not even close, it costs me about £2 a pop these days on the home charger to do what the Suzuki diesel would for £5), so there are a vanishingly small number of people whose portfolio of self employments mean they actually benefit from being able to tell an "employer" they can't work this week because they have to do a photo shoot in Monte Carlo ....


Which is rather royally distant from the deliveroo cyclist at the burger joint up the road being rung at 8 to say "stay at home you ain't needed"

[papasmurf]

Informed sources from within the sector say that it's the other way round, at least in this area. A lot of genuine hardship cases and a few who try it on - usually those are the same people over and over, so they get to be known to the system.

Quite, the £20 a week cut in Universal credit is going to effect 50000 in Cornwall, add to that inflation rises, rent rises, rises to NI, there is going to be a lot of hardship locally.

[HDQQ]

I've always maintained there are genuine people out there but there are a damn site more playing the system, and as I said we will see in the coming months.

Here's a challenge, find where I said Zero Hour Contracts are loved so much!
You'll find plenty where I said they suit some people.

Informed sources from within the sector say that it's the other way round, at least in this area. A lot of genuine hardship cases and a few who try it on - usually those are the same people over and over, so they get to be known to the system.

The idea of zero hours contracts might suit some people, with the flexibility they offer. But if the contract 1) requires you to be available for work for, say 40 hours per week, 2) prohibits you from doing any other work and / or 3) requires you to work when they want but not when you want, then it's bad.

[Sheepy]

I wonder about their sanity.

Well, no worries because today Boris says the people's government is getting on with delivering the promises in their manifesto, eh?

[papasmurf]

Can they not get Shemina to have a whip round among her ISIS pals and donate a few truckloads ?

As far as I am aware ISIS don't use ANFO, however American home grown anti government terrorists do. (Timothy McVeigh.)

[johnofgwent]

Chickens with head chopped off springs to mind. Frankly I suspect just does not realise how serious the problem is.

The main agricultural fertiliser production plants shut down, that will effect agricultural production. (It will also effect quarries which use ANFO explosive for blasting.)
The by products of fertiliser production being stopped with have widespread effects to food production, and it could also effect some aucspects of the NHS.

Can they not get Shemina to have a whip round among her ISIS pals and donate a few truckloads ?