Yesterday UK had highest number of new covid cases of any country.

[johnofgwent]

Sorry John missed this

By NHS communication.

Aha ! Thanks for that, I shall be expecting my summons (or maybe not, depending on the wisdom in force) in about a month then.

[cromwell]

How did you get to the booster list ?


I ask because I assume I will get called at some point although now the perceived wisdom is my having had the pox a few months before I had the first jab means my immune system is actually more able to beat the pox than someone jabbed before they caught it.


What gets my goat about this is we have the means to test the immune response some could determine as a matter of fact who is most in need of a booster and who has no need.


But that would be science .....

Sorry John missed this

By NHS communication.

[Nick]

My apologies I thought you were confused about my insistence the BBC are lying


The figures you seek are in that ONS page i linked to....


What I mean by that is


There are people who die directly from COVID.


Had you asked me a fortnight ago I would tell you I knew no one in that category. Today, i do. The immigrant filth that infected the entire immigration tribunal at Columbus House in early December including my wife, who then passed the Wuhan Pox on to me, got the opportunity to infect her because a week earlier he'd infected the court then and laid them low, causing Moira to be temporarily relocated to her old job on an emergency basis


Of the court staff he laid low the week earlier, Anne was the worst affected. Long before the vaccine was released, she was rushed to Pox Central aka the brand new Llantarnam Grange pox house which took cases from all over Wales on a stack em high and cremate em fast basis ...


She was in ICU for quite a while. The pox pretended to be angiotensin II inhibitor and was welcomed into her heart lungs and kidneys where it wrecked havoc.


Her Blood pressure never rose above 80/50 after that.


After three months she was sent home with an oxygen machine they give to terminal lung cancer patients.


She died ten days ago, at home.


Her death certificate states baldly she died of heart failure caused by COVID 19. And that is an accurate statement.


The problem, which I think you may have spotted, is those ONS figures whose raw input is now mercifully filtered to count only cases like Anne and cases where a medic signs to say a COVID infection materially contributed to pushing someone over the edge are still massaged to make the stats people appear to be valued contributors to the game when in fact they just muddy the waters .....

I'm sorry to hear that John. 😞

[cromwell]

Did doc not mention Ivermectin?

Nope and i didn't get the vitamin D from medics either,did some research and calculated it was worth doing.

[Scott777]

I already posted it was very low.
She like I has had both doses with no problems,you pays your money and takes your choice as the old adage says.....we did and are happy with ours.
We also took high dose vitamin D almost from the off.

Did doc not mention Ivermectin?

[cromwell]

How many of your vaccines were experimental with trials incomplete for over a year?
Survivability rate with no treatment, or with vitamins, HCQ or Ivermectin?

I already posted it was very low.
She like I has had both doses with no problems,you pays your money and takes your choice as the old adage says.....we did and are happy with ours.
We also took high dose vitamin D almost from the off.

[Barry]

How did you get to the booster list ?

I'm not answering for him, but:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/book-or-manage-a-booster-dose-of-the-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine/
It doesn't say not to bother coming if you've had the disease, funnily enough, and they are definitely not bothering to do blood tests to check if it is necessary. There's still a shortage of vacutainers.

[johnofgwent]

There is a very real fear for some that the jab will give them long term illness eg cancer or something as severe. I suppose every person who has the jab and at some future date gets ill will be held as proof that those anti jabbers were right. Who knows perhaps they are, but we will all die of something and our factory made food is doing more to kill us than anything, but I haven't seen anyone lining up to stop us shopping.

And that's the kiddie dilemma.


Do you believe the politicians spouting "science"that says your child is far less susceptible to the pox than you, or the ones spouting the "science" that says they should be jabbed despite there being no study, never mind result, on long term effects of these concoctions.....

[johnofgwent]

Whatever you say about the covid pandemic or your stance on vaccination,number of deaths,measures to combat it then clearly it has separated opinion much greater than brexit ever did IMO.

People have taken a stand and are not prepared to listen to any counter,I wouldn't mind it's not just here but worldwide,whatever happened to reason and reasonable argument?

Me and mine are off for our booster tomorrow,do I expect you all to have one? no

Do I expect those who do want the vaccine be harangued at the door? no but they are and staff have been threatened and told their car numbers have been taken with the clear implication there will be reprisals.

Whether you do or don't wear a mask have a vaccine or not is personal choice.

We each need to do what we think in our own best interests,if things go awry because of that i.e. vaccine reaction or die of covid after refusing vaccine that's personal choice but we do need to get over this madness because it's spilling over in to other areas.

How did you get to the booster list ?


I ask because I assume I will get called at some point although now the perceived wisdom is my having had the pox a few months before I had the first jab means my immune system is actually more able to beat the pox than someone jabbed before they caught it.


What gets my goat about this is we have the means to test the immune response some could determine as a matter of fact who is most in need of a booster and who has no need.


But that would be science .....

[johnofgwent]

No,you've just filled a page telling us what we already knew.

The fact is that: if I got the news I had terminal cancer and I went out and shot 3 people in a fit of rage based on my diagnosis, would those 3 people have cancer on their death certificates? No would they hell, it would say gun shot wounds, but it was a direct result of my cancer diagnosis.

If I had Covid and showed a negative test 3 weeks later, got blind drunk and fell off a bridge and died it would MENTION Covid on my death certificate, why? It should say trauma due to falling off a bridge and not even mention Covid.

So, where are the figure showing deaths FROM Covid, cause if I take the average surplus deaths for the last ten years and put them against 2020 deaths it comes out at around 35K Covid deaths.

My apologies I thought you were confused about my insistence the BBC are lying


The figures you seek are in that ONS page i linked to....


What I mean by that is


There are people who die directly from COVID.


Had you asked me a fortnight ago I would tell you I knew no one in that category. Today, i do. The immigrant filth that infected the entire immigration tribunal at Columbus House in early December including my wife, who then passed the Wuhan Pox on to me, got the opportunity to infect her because a week earlier he'd infected the court then and laid them low, causing Moira to be temporarily relocated to her old job on an emergency basis


Of the court staff he laid low the week earlier, Anne was the worst affected. Long before the vaccine was released, she was rushed to Pox Central aka the brand new Llantarnam Grange pox house which took cases from all over Wales on a stack em high and cremate em fast basis ...


She was in ICU for quite a while. The pox pretended to be angiotensin II inhibitor and was welcomed into her heart lungs and kidneys where it wrecked havoc.


Her Blood pressure never rose above 80/50 after that.


After three months she was sent home with an oxygen machine they give to terminal lung cancer patients.


She died ten days ago, at home.


Her death certificate states baldly she died of heart failure caused by COVID 19. And that is an accurate statement.


The problem, which I think you may have spotted, is those ONS figures whose raw input is now mercifully filtered to count only cases like Anne and cases where a medic signs to say a COVID infection materially contributed to pushing someone over the edge are still massaged to make the stats people appear to be valued contributors to the game when in fact they just muddy the waters .....

[Scott777]

Don't listen to the media,I've had every vaccination offered since a child and still here,my wife has low immunity and our gp when asked gave her opinion with the proviso it was advice only but based on 30 odd years as a hospital doctor and gp.
When asked on survivability rate if caught covid my wife's was very low and this was confirmed by her specialist,nowt to do with media but research and asking professionals and happy with the decision too.

How many of your vaccines were experimental with trials incomplete for over a year?
Survivability rate with no treatment, or with vitamins, HCQ or Ivermectin?

[cromwell]

Regarding personal choice, it is none the less important to consider the consequences, not only for yourself, but for others.  I know people will say the same about not getting jabbed - how might the virus affect others - but there's a fundamental difference, because not getting the jab means doing nothing, and may be regarded as the absence of a choice (you may remain permanently unable to decide), whereas getting the jab is an active choice.  This means the consequences of getting it should be an important factor.

So what are the possible consequences of getting jabbed?  As we have seen in Israel and Singapore, the most jabbed up countries have achieved the opposite of solving the 'problem'.  They are spiking with new variants.  And that is exactly what Luc Montagnier said would happen, that mass vaccination drives viral mutation.  Also, the jabs are specific to the Alpha variant, which is by all accounts extinct.  Also, shedding of the spike protein is a thing, as stated by Pfizer themselves.

It's all very well making a personal choice, but at the very least, people ought to do their own research, stop taking the media at face value, before deciding.  Anything less is concerning.

Don't listen to the media,I've had every vaccination offered since a child and still here,my wife has low immunity and our gp when asked gave her opinion with the proviso it was advice only but based on 30 odd years as a hospital doctor and gp.
When asked on survivability rate if caught covid my wife's was very low and this was confirmed by her specialist,nowt to do with media but research and asking professionals and happy with the decision too.

[T00ts]

Furthermore:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathscausedbycovid19onlyApparently the answer is in Table 5, which I cannot find. Why would they make it so difficult?

Would they have to do post mortems to really be sure of cause of death? Isn't it possible that Covid reacts on people differently so nothing is so certain? I thought it attacked people in different ways.

[Barry]

Shocker!!

Furthermore:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathscausedbycovid19only

You asked
​It says on your website 'Coronavirus deaths involving' Can I please request the data on coronavirus deaths from the actual virus and not involved or underlined with a disease.

We said
Thank you for your request.

Apparently the answer is in Table 5, which I cannot find. Why would they make it so difficult?

[Nick]

Most of the FOI requests to Health Authorities asking how many people have died with Covid as the primary cause have come back zero.

Shocker!!