Are the Conservatives keeping their election promises?

[Nick]

Yes it is, they have underfunded the NHS since May 2010, and the recent additions to NHS funding come nowhere near to making it up.

It's amazing how the Tories managed to turn off funding for the NHS like a switch in May 2010. They truly are an amazing party. 

[Thomas]

Yes it is, they have underfunded the NHS since May 2010, and the recent additions to NHS funding come nowhere near to making it up.

No it isnt the fault of the conservatives.

The "english" nhs has been underfunded since 2010 , because as we all know , much of the funding that should have been going to the nhs has been getting syphoned off into the labour parties PFI disaster.

We have had similar in scotland with the snp government bailing out and paying money to labours PFI legacy.

Over in wales though pappy , where you seem to have selective amnesia over the fact labour have been in charge of the welsh nhs since 1999 , why is the labour run fiefdoms nhs the worst performing nhs regularly in the uk if everything is the tories fault?

The vast majority of the uk people , certainly in two of the three (northern ireland excluded) countries , dont trust the labour party in government with their disgracefull record , and the one country where they continually vote them into power in the devolved assembly , is seen as the armpit of the uk.

I wouldnt trust the labour party to run a bin emptying contract on the local medical centre nevermind the scottish nhs.

[Thomas]

It is such easy prose and so misguided. I wonder how you will feel when you realise that you have reached the age of wisdom when the superior feeling youngsters say the same to you. Have a heart Thomas.

Toots , im at that remarkable point in life called "middle age" , where i receive in equal measures the contempt and scorn of both the elderly and young.

I have a heart , but if there is someone somewhere i have absolutely not one ounce of sympathy or forgiveness for , its the poster in question.

[Nick]

Teachers pay in London £26,948 — £125,098.  There are extra allowances for specialist responsibilities and training. Rest of England and Wales £25,714 — £118,356. Pension is a final salary scheme. Full time teachers work 195 days a year.          Nurses £18,005 — £104,927. Not normally expected to work more than 48 hours a week. 12 hour shifts. Up to 33 days leave (after 10 years) plus general and public holidays. NHS pension scheme...    Why does the system no longer allow paragraphs?

You're quoting training salaries. 



What Is The Typical Starting Wage For A NHS Nurse In The UK?
As a student nurse or newly qualified nurse you might be wondering about pay in the UK?
Let's just get straight to the nursing salary question and get that answered: The current starting salary for a Band 5 Nurse in the UK is £25,655 per year (minus tax and pensions).

• Recruits (in initial training); £15,985 a year
• Private: £20,400 a year
• Lance Corporal: £27,326 a year
• Corporal: £31,869 a year
• Sergeant: £35,853 a year

[Nick]

Teachers pay in London £26,948 — £125,098.  There are extra allowances for specialist responsibilities and training. Rest of England and Wales £25,714 — £118,356. Pension is a final salary scheme. Full time teachers work 195 days a year.          Nurses £18,005 — £104,927. Not normally expected to work more than 48 hours a week. 12 hour shifts. Up to 33 days leave (after 10 years) plus general and public holidays. NHS pension scheme...    Why does the system no longer allow paragraphs?

You mean

like this?

[patman post]

Teachers pay in London £26,948 — £125,098.  There are extra allowances for specialist responsibilities and training. Rest of England and Wales £25,714 — £118,356. Pension is a final salary scheme. Full time teachers work 195 days a year.          Nurses £18,005 — £104,927. Not normally expected to work more than 48 hours a week. 12 hour shifts. Up to 33 days leave (after 10 years) plus general and public holidays. NHS pension scheme...    Why does the system no longer allow paragraphs?

[T00ts]

Remember what i was saying the other day to toots about different worlds colliding on the interwebby?

Delusional , meet brutal with the truth.

You only have to say jacob rees mogg is a nice guy and pappy is having a melt down about nastiness.

It is such easy prose and so misguided. I wonder how you will feel when you realise that you have reached the age of wisdom when the superior feeling youngsters say the same to you. Have a heart Thomas. 

[Thomas]

If people's opinions offend you so much, maybe online forums aren't the place for you.

Remember what i was saying the other day to toots about different worlds colliding on the interwebby?

Delusional , meet brutal with the truth.

You only have to say jacob rees mogg is a nice guy and pappy is having a melt down about nastiness.

[Nick]

You have:-

They're not underpaid, overworked maybe but their starting salary is £6K more than the starting forces pay. And infinitely more than the RNLI, all of whom do very challenging jobs.

It's kind of one of my pet hates, the fact that nurses get elevated to almost sainthood and the other services get no mention at all.

Nurses are underpaid, the pay quoted by the right wing media press is always to top end of the pay scale not the rate the majority of nurses get.

I looked the pay rates on the RCN web page, are you saying the Royal College of Nursing is a right wing organisation?

A nurse goes to work, does the job, which is hard but so is laying flags, then goes home and watches TV. A Soldier can be away for months and gets shot at, they may never go home alive. They also get paid less than nurses based on years service, so no, nurses aren't underpaid. They get paid more than teachers as well.

If people's opinions offend you so much, maybe online forums aren't the place for you.

[papasmurf]

Sorry pappy , but i dont see whats nasty about nicks comment.

That does not surprise me as you can't understand how nasty you are.

[Thomas]

You have:-

They're not underpaid, overworked maybe but their starting salary is £6K more than the starting forces pay. And infinitely more than the RNLI, all of whom do very challenging jobs.

It's kind of one of my pet hates, the fact that nurses get elevated to almost sainthood and the other services get no mention at all.

Nurses are underpaid, the pay quoted by the right wing media press is always to top end of the pay scale not the rate the majority of nurses get.

Sorry pappy , but i dont see whats nasty about nicks comment. We are all entitled to our opinions , something you dont seem to accept or be able to handle.

There are good and bad people within nursing and the wider nhs , and as for pay nurses will never be paid enough as they always want more and more.

We are all getting bored now with this worshipping at the feet of the nhs cult and sainthood for every tom dick and harry within it wether they deserve it or not.

[papasmurf]

Who has made nasty comments about nurses?
I made that comment that they are not under paid, if that's what you're referring to prove me wrong.

You have:- 

They're not underpaid, overworked maybe but their starting salary is £6K more than the starting forces pay. And infinitely more than the RNLI, all of whom do very challenging jobs.

It's kind of one of my pet hates, the fact that nurses get elevated to almost sainthood and the other services get no mention at all.

Nurses are underpaid, the pay quoted by the right wing media press is always to top end of the pay scale not the rate the majority of nurses get.

[Nick]

My wife a retired nurse with over 44 years experience, agrees with me. People who make nasty generalised comments about nurses have no idea of the pressures involved in the job. Understaffed, overworked an underpaid.

Who has made nasty comments about nurses?
I made that comment that they are not under paid, if that's what you're referring to prove me wrong. 

[papasmurf]

Ok, throw in a bunch of flowers.

If you threw my wife a bunch of flowers you would not like where she stuck  it in you.

[Borchester]

My wife a retired nurse with over 44 years experience, agrees with me. People who make nasty generalised comments about nurses have no idea of the pressures involved in the job. Understaffed, overworked an underpaid.

Ok, throw in a bunch of flowers.