Another Brexit Benefit!

[BeElBeeBub]

Well I think you'll find some have more technical knowledge than you expect,still as has been pointed out you seemed to be making it up as you went along.
If however it's all so vital how did you cope with the three power cuts suffered already.

Anyone else on here suffered that many outages  recently?

You last posted in July,what was it then?  Oh yes the water treatment plant and a part....oh the hassle the cost the vat and ce mark another part unobtainable here.

All seems a little familiar scenario along with the arrogance that a bunch of thickos who haven't a clue voted so inconveniently and placed you in this predicament.

Still what should we expect from someone who was boo hooing a while ago that brexit was so awful and inconvenient for you because you might have to pay roaming charges which would be so terrible when you wanted to chat to your chums on the piste to arrange a meet up later to get pissed.

If I was in the position that I desperately needed a part to keep someone breathing I'd cheerfully swallow the £60 odd quid rather than bleating about it on the web.

I'm sure.some here have plenty of knowledge, just not the ones suggesting petrol generators indoors.

The requirements have not varied, but people seem to be in a rush to mis-understand them - to be fair I didn't publish a technical document I just answered the questions as they were asked so some confusions is understandable.

Mains powered devices using PSU's to provide low the low voltage DC they use is not an uncommon arrangement. If you are.using a lap top you will be familiar with the idea.

As for the power cuts, what can I say. The fact you haven't had any power cuts recently is not evidence that power cuts don't happen. You are aware of the phenomenon of local power cuts I presume?

£70 has been paid and the part will (parcel force willing).arrive. but it's £70 that I wouldn't have had to pay previously.

Likewise with the other part, it arrived but only after trouble and paperwork that wouldn't have happened previously 

And again with roaming charges - yes, i'll have to pay more if I ever get to go skiing in the near future. Another cost that I wouldn't have had to pay previously.

So far we have a bunch of extra hassle and costs, and let's not forget we were assured these costs wouldn't happen, and for what?

What things have got cheaper and easier under brexit? Is there less red tape? Nope, there's more.

Is food cheaper- nope and there is now less choice

What about those trade deals? - so far only 3 that we didn't have already, none are finalised (only agreed in principle) and none add any significant GDP (the NZ one is projected to add zero GDP and may even reduce it).

We were told brexit was done, it was an oven ready fantastic deal. Now we're being told it's still not done and we've got lots of negotiations still to come.

I have previously stated (and stand by) that I'd happily be wrong if I got to live in the "sunlit uplands" Leave promised.

So where are they?

[Thomas]

That just got funnier the further along I got.

So you think those pathetic little deals with the antipodes are a massive success? That the Republic of Ireland is going to leave the EU and join the UK? And that all this is the first step in the restablishment of the British Empire?

With lines like that you have some nerve accusing anyone else of talking bullshit, .

Mind you - if your username is anything to go by - anyone who thinks any political decision, whether you agree with it or not, is "hallowed", is clearly someone whose spoutings are likely to border upon the exaggerated. As you have so amply demonstrated with this apparent comedy routine.

You are in fact the walking, talking epitome of the typical stereotype Remainers like to imagine Brexiteers to be. Your post is an embarassment to all the sensible ones.

Steve , hallowed brexit is sound .

Its just a parody account taking the piss out of brexit and brexiters.

At least he is a lot more fun than gerry.

[Thomas]

Typical remoaniac bullshit.

Brexit has so far been a resounding success. Not only has it returned our national sovereignty and prosperity, it made us straighten our backs and realise that our song has not yet been sung.
Not only have wages soared, in fact our industry is firing from all cylinders while we have secured deals with New Zealand and Australia in an effort to revitalize the mighty Commonwealth of nations.
Furthermore, Brexit has put British reunification back on the cards with the Republic joining the UK as part of a wider British Empire that will become a global power in its own right.

Leave means leave and out means out.

[Borchester]

If I was in the position that I desperately needed a part to keep someone breathing I'd cheerfully swallow the £60 odd quid rather than bleating about it on the web.

That crossed my mind as well.

It is hard to tell if Bennie is trolling or simply not very bright or both

[cromwell]

I really hope you didn't have a technical job 'cos you must have been crap at it.

The medical device takes 24v and consumes upto 100w. This 24v power is supplied by a PSU similar to the ones you get for laptops (or for £25 off Amazon) that takes between 110 and 240v AC and converts it to the 24v DC.

Whilst I could have sourced a system that output 24v, the connector would have been an issue as well as the manufacturer of the device only warranting it for use with the supplied (AC to DC) PSU.

The other option, that I decided on, was to provide an uninterrupted 240v AC supply to the OEM AC to DC PSU.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if I was buying a novelty big mouth Billy bass toy. The fact of the matter is I am laying ⅓ more for something I could have got with no extra charges and probably next day delivered.prior to your precious brexit.

Well I think you'll find some have more technical knowledge than you expect,still as has been pointed out you seemed to be making it up as you went along.
If however it's all so vital how did you cope with the three power cuts suffered already.

Anyone else on here suffered that many outages  recently?

You last posted in July,what was it then?  Oh yes the water treatment plant and a part....oh the hassle the cost the vat and ce mark another part unobtainable here.

All seems a little familiar scenario along with the arrogance that a bunch of thickos who haven't a clue voted so inconveniently and placed you in this predicament.

Still what should we expect from someone who was boo hooing a while ago that brexit was so awful and inconvenient for you because you might have to pay roaming charges which would be so terrible when you wanted to chat to your chums on the piste to arrange a meet up later to get pissed.

If I was in the position that I desperately needed a part to keep someone breathing I'd cheerfully swallow the £60 odd quid rather than bleating about it on the web.

[BeElBeeBub]

You need to make your mind up here. You are going between needing 24V @ 100W and wanting a 240V inverter. Which is it?

Either way it sounds like a made up problem.

I really hope you didn't have a technical job 'cos you must have been crap at it.

The medical device takes 24v and consumes upto 100w. This 24v power is supplied by a PSU similar to the ones you get for laptops (or for £25 off Amazon) that takes between 110 and 240v AC and converts it to the 24v DC.

Whilst I could have sourced a system that output 24v, the connector would have been an issue as well as the manufacturer of the device only warranting it for use with the supplied (AC to DC) PSU.

The other option, that I decided on, was to provide an uninterrupted 240v AC supply to the OEM AC to DC PSU.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if I was buying a novelty big mouth Billy bass toy. The fact of the matter is I am laying ⅓ more for something I could have got with no extra charges and probably next day delivered.prior to your precious brexit.

[BeElBeeBub]

I can buy a 16A 24V SM PSU off Amazon for £25, have it the day after tomorrow.
I get the feeling you're having your pants pulled down.

Anyone else got stuff they can't get that Amazon supply NDD?

And how long does your £25 PSU that you got delivered the day after tomorrow provide 24v for when the mains goes down?

The point, for the slow ones at the back, is to provide an uninterrupted 240v supply to the existing PSU so that, in the event of a power outage, the PSU doesn't notice anything and just keeps on plugging away doing it's thing until the power is restored.

But once again, it's painfully obvious that your focus on what the item is, whether it's necessary, if it could have been bought in the UK etc are all just efforts to desperately avoid dealing with the fact an item now costs a UK buyer ⅓ more than it would have prior to brexit.

[Nick]

i hadn't thought of that......

Oh wait, yes i did.

I did look into using a 24v output but the connectors are non-standard and I didn't really want to go around cutting the existing connector off and monkeying around.

So i needed a 240v supply which also has to be a pure sine wave rather than the choppy partial sine-ish wave of a lot of the cheaper inverters.  It also needed to be able to charge off the mains whilst supplying the 240v supply so when the mains goes down there is no interruption and it takes over seamlessly - like a computer UPS, which I also trialed.

The inverter/charger mechanism needed to be silent, and finally it needed to provide a higher energy density than lead acid whilst not being Li-Ion due to the propensity of Li-Ion to catch fire (medical devices tend to use Li-Fi battery chemistry).  Even at £300, this is the cheap option.

I assume you were joking about using a crappy 2stroke generator (not silent, not automatic, not sine wave, not indoors) as only an utter moron would think that was a viable alternative.

You need to make your mind up here. You are going between needing 24V @ 100W and wanting a 240V inverter. Which is it?

Either way it sounds like a made up problem. 

[Nick]

It varies, but up to 100w at 24v DC.

I can buy a 16A 24V SM PSU off Amazon for £25, have it the day after tomorrow. 
I get the feeling you're having your pants pulled down. 

Anyone else got stuff they can't get that Amazon supply NDD?

[BeElBeeBub]

Personally Bennie, I think that you are making this stuff up as you go along. However, in the unlikely event that you ain't, look up your local branch of Hackspace. It is full of nerds who love this sort of problem and will be happy to wire you into the mains or whatever turns you on.

Turns you on! I have only just realised that I have made a pun and a damn witty one it was. Where is the pissed myself laughing icon when you need it?

I know it makes it easier to maintain your delusion if you just dismiss any evidence to the contrary as made up or fake so I hope the cognitive dissonance doesn't hurt too much.

https://ibb.co/vxhcnFT
And yes, I am aware of how to build a UPS having built one for another application where it failing wouldn't be quite such a problem. I just felt it would be better to use a commercial product for this application.  Or is "make do and mend" the new Leave slogan?

[BeElBeeBub]

Ah another one that thinks me a half wit.
Fyi it is 4stroke and capable for using on computers,laptops and smartphones you know electronically sensitive equipment.

Of course such equipment would be sited outside (you've never heard of electrical cables then and weatherproof to indoor connectors?) what's the battery life on your purchase and what is it powering?

From the spec for this piece of crap you dismissed

I don't see auto start, uninterrupted supply on that spec list. Nor do I see "silent" or capable of being used indoors?  Have you paused to think why the power systems for medical devices tend not to use internal combustion engines?

All this "oh why didn't you think of X" is simply obscuring the point that a product is now 30% more expensive directly because of brexit.

Can you think of anything that has got cheaper because if brexit?  Wasn't our food, clothing etc supposed to get cheaper?  Pretty sure mobile roaming charges weren't going 5oncome back.

Come to think of it, when are those German car makers coming to our rescue again?

[cromwell]

Personally Bennie, I think that you are making this stuff up as you go along. However, in the unlikely event that you ain't, look up your local branch of Hackspace. It is full of nerds who love this sort of problem and will be happy to wire you into the mains or whatever turns you on.

Turns you on! I have only just realised that I have made a pun and a damn witty one it was. Where is the pissed myself laughing icon when you need it?

Well I was trying to be polite 

[patman post]

i hadn't thought of that...... Oh wait, yes i did. I did look into using a 24v output but the connectors are non-standard and I didn't really want to go around cutting the existing connector off and monkeying around. So i needed a 240v supply which also has to be a pure sine wave rather than the choppy partial sine-ish wave of a lot of the cheaper inverters.  It also needed to be able to charge off the mains whilst supplying the 240v supply so when the mains goes down there is no interruption and it takes over seamlessly - like a computer UPS, which I also trialed. The inverter/charger mechanism needed to be silent, and finally it needed to provide a higher energy density than lead acid whilst not being Li-Ion due to the propensity of Li-Ion to catch fire (medical devices tend to use Li-Fi battery chemistry).  Even at £300, this is the cheap option. I assume you were joking about using a crappy 2stroke generator (not silent, not automatic, not sine wave, not indoors) as only an utter moron would think that was a viable alternative.

Public telephone exchanges used lead aid battery banks and diesel generators to ensure their continued operation should there be power cuts. The operating voltage was (and still is) 48 volts. This meant that before broadband and cordless landline phones, the home phone would still operate even during power outages. If buying in from abroad is not an option, couldn't you consider a telecoms solution...?

[cromwell]

i hadn't thought of that......

Oh wait, yes i did.

I did look into using a 24v output but the connectors are non-standard and I didn't really want to go around cutting the existing connector off and monkeying around.

So i needed a 240v supply which also has to be a pure sine wave rather than the choppy partial sine-ish wave of a lot of the cheaper inverters.  It also needed to be able to charge off the mains whilst supplying the 240v supply so when the mains goes down there is no interruption and it takes over seamlessly - like a computer UPS, which I also trialed.

The inverter/charger mechanism needed to be silent, and finally it needed to provide a higher energy density than lead acid whilst not being Li-Ion due to the propensity of Li-Ion to catch fire (medical devices tend to use Li-Fi battery chemistry).  Even at £300, this is the cheap option.

I assume you were joking about using a crappy 2stroke generator (not silent, not automatic, not sine wave, not indoors) as only an utter moron would think that was a viable alternative.

Ah another one that thinks me a half wit.
Fyi it is 4stroke and capable for using on computers,laptops and smartphones you know electronically sensitive equipment.

Of course such equipment would be sited outside (you've never heard of electrical cables then and weatherproof to indoor connectors?) what's the battery life on your purchase and what is it powering?

From the spec for this piece of crap you dismissed

• Single cylinder
• 4-Stroke
• Smooth and silent operation
• Produces a clean sine wave for sensitive electronics
• Lightweight and easy to transport
• Air cooled
• 56cc Engine
• 3L Tank capacity (approx.)
• Max. 800W continuous output power
• Ideal for camping, travelling or taking luxur

[Borchester]

i hadn't thought of that......

Oh wait, yes i did.

I did look into using a 24v output but the connectors are non-standard and I didn't really want to go around cutting the existing connector off and monkeying around.

So i needed a 240v supply which also has to be a pure sine wave rather than the choppy partial sine-ish wave of a lot of the cheaper inverters.  It also needed to be able to charge off the mains whilst supplying the 240v supply so when the mains goes down there is no interruption and it takes over seamlessly - like a computer UPS, which I also trialed.

The inverter/charger mechanism needed to be silent, and finally it needed to provide a higher energy density than lead acid whilst not being Li-Ion due to the propensity of Li-Ion to catch fire (medical devices tend to use Li-Fi battery chemistry).  Even at £300, this is the cheap option.

I assume you were joking about using a crappy 2stroke generator (not silent, not automatic, not sine wave, not indoors) as only an utter moron would think that was a viable alternative.

Personally Bennie, I think that you are making this stuff up as you go along. However, in the unlikely event that you ain't, look up your local branch of Hackspace. It is full of nerds who love this sort of problem and will be happy to wire you into the mains or whatever turns you on.

Turns you on! I have only just realised that I have made a pun and a damn witty one it was. Where is the pissed myself laughing icon when you need it?