Spread of Covid, will vaccines stop it, will you get vaccines forever?

[T00ts]

What is mainstream science?  Are you asking for a peer reviewed paper to show the bleeding obvious?  It's like asking for science to show that it's raining outside your window.  Do you have any science which shows big pharma and politicians are vaccinating everyone for their health?  And if not, why do you believe it?

I think the problem is that this is no longer for the individual. It has been too big and has been all about the health of the Nation as a whole. It was impossible to give individual treatment across the board.

[Scott777]

At what point are you going to show any mainstream science that shows it's a scam?

What is mainstream science?  Are you asking for a peer reviewed paper to show the bleeding obvious?  It's like asking for science to show that it's raining outside your window.  Do you have any science which shows big pharma and politicians are vaccinating everyone for their health?  And if not, why do you believe it?

[T00ts]

At what point are you going to show any mainstream science that shows it's a scam?

If we look at the business aspect of this. I can see if Pfizer has managed to produce an effective copy with the same properties why would they promote another product? The other advantage to this is that it will be tailored for us in the UK according to our rules of acceptance for use in the NHS and would possibly be more easily and quickly put to use.

[Nick]

At what point will people see that it's a scam.

At what point are you going to show any mainstream science that shows it's a scam?

[Scott777]

At what point will people see that it's a scam.  Ivermectin was censored, ridiculed, and banned.  Not for any genuine reason, but because it is CHEAP, and they wanted money from vaccines.  Now Pfizer is bringing out a drug, which is basically repurposed Ivermectin, because they can patent it, and make money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xROICA8Hr7I

[Scott777]

My point was that all that we know now is hind sight. We have treatments now. We know better what we are dealing with. Research will continue and hopefully this time next year they will know more again. I just think people are asking for miracles. Science, politicians, medics all did the best they could with the knowledge at the time. Now they are letting people catch it with the help of the jab to reduce severity. Sadly people are still dying and not only the over 50s.

My point is, we were clearly deceived, and should have focused on protecting the vulnerable, aka the Great Barrington Declaration, to achieve herd immunity.  The politicians are still deceiving us, because they want to jab everyone, still use unreliable testing, still talking about cases, still creating fear porn, still censoring and banning Ivermectin, still not promoting vitamins and good health.

[Sheepy]

Not going to go over old ground other than you are fully aware of the action taken by the mod team as a whole which never involved removing  information either pro or anti vaccination but was all about breaking forum rules.

You we're subsequently made aware that your posts were welcome here as long as that outlined above was not repeated.

Its entirely up to you but you need to forget that and look ahead rather than behind.

Which bit of stop trolling don't you and your musketeers get? you cannot stop us getting the information out. never could never will. No you need to get over yourself.

[cromwell]

Don't need too, you have written it in black and white.

Not going to go over old ground other than you are fully aware of the action taken by the mod team as a whole which never involved removing  information either pro or anti vaccination but was all about breaking forum rules.

You were subsequently made aware that your posts were welcome here as long as that outlined above was not repeated.

Its entirely up to you but you need to forget that and look ahead rather than behind.

[T00ts]

Information about China and Italy, at the time, is now known to be misleading or false.  As has been established, in Italy they used PCR tests which are unreliable, they focused on hotspots which had a very elderly population, and they used poor treatments, and they blamed Covid for all sorts of other conditions.  A similar thing happened here, and then they greatly reduced the claims of 'covid' deaths.  The actual excess death was not a lot in 2020.  I thought we had been through all that.

My point was that all that we know now is hind sight. We have treatments now. We know better what we are dealing with. Research will continue and hopefully this time next year they will know more again. I just think people are asking for miracles. Science, politicians, medics all did the best they could with the knowledge at the time. Now they are letting people catch it with the help of the jab to reduce severity. Sadly people are still dying and not only the over 50s.

[Sheepy]

Please point to a post I made that removed information you were trying to present to the public.

Don't need too, you have written it in black and white. 

[Scott777]

We watched as Chinese first died. They shut down. Then it got nearer home and I remember Italy sending us desperate warnings - they shut down. It seemed to work. Then we got it. We kept borders open and scientists talked glibly about herd immunity then people starting dying. We had quite well known people shown suffering. What were we supposed to do? Do you really think that the population here having seen what was happening in other countries would have been contented? Do you really think that everyone would have been happy to watch other countries using vaccines while we continued for herd immunity? They even got the rough sleepers off the streets! Barry you dream the impossible.

Information about China and Italy, at the time, is now known to be misleading or false.  As has been established, in Italy they used PCR tests which are unreliable, they focused on hotspots which had a very elderly population, and they used poor treatments, and they blamed Covid for all sorts of other conditions.  A similar thing happened here, and then they greatly reduced the claims of 'covid' deaths.  The actual excess death was not a lot in 2020.  I thought we had been through all that.

[cromwell]

except you trolled me and tried to stop us getting the information to the public and still would. Except we have a much bigger outlet than just this place.

Please point to a post I made that removed information you were trying to present to the public.

[Sheepy]

And you made your choice which of us told you the path you had to take? That'll be none of us and we don't care how you made yours.

except you trolled me and tried to stop us getting the information to the public and still would. Except we have a much bigger outlet than just this place. 

[cromwell]

I am not hysterical you are, yes you have made your choice, the wrong one, but that ain't my problem and I really couldn't care less, so no you jog on.

And you made your choice which of us told you the path you had to take? That'll be none of us and we don't care how you made yours.

[T00ts]

I remember the Chinese videos of people keeling over in the streets. That didn't happen here, did it?
I remember Italy panicking and Boris doing a U-turn. His first plan was to let it take its course, with his "I'm sorry, we are all going to lose friends and relatives" speech. He bottled it. The 3 weeks to flatten the curve never did work, did it?

Sweden dreamed the impossible and showed it was absolutely possible.

We cannot compare with Sweden.