Think Keir needs another rug.

[Borchester]

I did say .if it wasn't for Boris, Labour, may well have been spent by now, as it stands it may be they should be doing better ,but this governments sheer ineptitude , has kept them in the game to a degree it could still go either way. This is a situation I forecast some time ago to you, which of course you rejected.
I would accept Labour were actually spent if we didn't need an alternative to one of the worst  governments in my life time, which appears to be hell bent on digging a bigger and bigger hole for its self.
I regard your customary attack on my honesty, as par for the course ,in your correspondence.

If it were not for Boris the UK would still be sucking the EU's dick, much to the delight of vast chunks of the left and a considerable proportion of the Tory party. On a personal level I see Bojo as shit in an iron bucket, but until the nation flushes this remainer virus out of its system, he will have to do.

[Good old]

Its a shame our new labour friend Good old doesnt have your honesty regarding this point.

I did say .if it wasn't for Boris, Labour, may well have been spent by now, as it stands it may be they should be doing better ,but this governments sheer ineptitude , has kept them in the game to a degree it could still go either way. This is a situation I forecast some time ago to you, which of course you rejected.
I would accept Labour were actually spent if we didn't need an alternative to one of the worst  governments in my life time, which appears to be hell bent on digging a bigger and bigger hole for its self.
I regard your customary attack on my honesty, as par for the course ,in your correspondence.

[Thomas]

That Labour is struggling to make an impact against such a corrupt and dishonest shitshow of a government just proves how lame Labour now is.

Its a shame our new labour friend Good old doesnt have your honesty regarding this point.

Remember when it was reported tony blair said abour corbyn that any other labour leader would be twenty points ahead in the polls? I wonder why slippery blair is quiet about starmers ineptitude in the polls?

I dont know how anyone on this earth who calls himself a socialist could possibly vote for the likes of starmer , cooper or the repulsive racheal reeve.

Watching this current labour lot is like watching a re run of the 2010 - 2015 labour party , except this lot are even worse.

As old borkie says , boris keeps falling over his left foot , and starmer turns round at the open goal each and every time and blows both his own feet off .

[Sheepy]

Or everybody is finally sick of all of them and getting rid of Boris doesn't change that. 

[srb7677]

2 points behind in the YouGov poll.

That Labour is struggling to make an impact against such a corrupt and dishonest shitshow of a government just proves how lame Labour now is.

[Nick]

is now 3 points ahead in the latest polls.

2 points behind in the YouGov poll.

[srb7677]

I started a new thread before I saw this one so I'll put it here.

I wrote to my MP some weeks ago to say that BJ either has to improve his performance considerably or he has to go. Today's PMQs seems to be one of the final nails in his political coffin.

As a Conservative (without the blue rinse) and one time member, if there was a moment for BJ to stand tall in Westminster, this was it, and in my book he failed. Once again his performance was weak. His attempt at bouncing accusations back at his accusers seemed lack lustre. So is the Christmas party the problem? Actually I don't think it was. After all Barry claims that he had his and extended the bubble to fit.  (Sorry Barry) After all, these people were in a working bubble presumably. How many others did the same? How many on the Labour benches did the same? I wonder if that will ever come out?

No BJ has lost his mojo and seems to be floundering, unprepared, incoherent, bedraggled and generally lacking sufficient statesmanlike qualities.

Does that mean there is room for Starmer. I certainly hope not but the grey suits need to be knocking on No10's front door.

Who is there to take the lead now. Not Rishi for me but I bet he's rubbing his hands in glee.

Boris is becoming an utter liability to the Tories. Even a Labour party offering nothing much beyond trying to be a little less shit, is now 3 points ahead in the latest polls. That it is not doing far better in light of the car crash Boris is offering, is a damning indictment of Starmer. But if this continues, even Starmer and his bunch of do nothings will win by default. The Tories know what they need to do. They have done it before. They need to ditch Johnson and replace him with someone who can sound convincing when it comes to integrity and who promises to do so. Whether that be Sunak or someone else, they need to choose wisely with public perceptions in mind. I will be astonished if the party that was prepared to ditch the Thatcher they loved when she became a liability did not now do the same with Boris.

[srb7677]

Boris made it quite clear he was not there or involved, Starmer has no where to go.

If you believe that one, I have a true account of my part in the battle of Stalingrad to sell you.

[Sheepy]

Living in hope of one or the other parties producing a leader worth applying that label to is what I meant. Not that a GE was the only answer.
If it wasn't for Johnson, it's possible Labour would be a totally spent force. As it stands if the Tories stumble into many more disasters, then only dogged inability to accept that the Tories are in reality just as spent and only likely to make our reality worse will keep them in . Some future that offers, and if so yes we will remain a joke. And sooner than see that as the future for a country I have always been proud of, I believe a competent leader democratically installed ,should be more than a hope, more a demand no matter which party you most prefer. Precisely why every true Tory, with integrity should get Boris, out.

Good luck with that good old, ever heard of the nudge unit? we are all suffering the consequences of their actions. which some of us point blank refuse to accept.

[Good old]

You'd have to have a lot of hope to think that possible. They are a spent force. They won't dare call an election whilst they have 70 odd majority. We will remain a joke, both at home and abroad. Johnson must go - "do one Boris!"

Living in hope of one or the other parties producing a leader worth applying that label to is what I meant. Not that a GE was the only answer.
If it wasn't for Johnson, it's possible Labour would be a totally spent force. As it stands if the Tories stumble into many more disasters, then only dogged inability to accept that the Tories are in reality just as spent and only likely to make our reality worse will keep them in . Some future that offers, and if so yes we will remain a joke. And sooner than see that as the future for a country I have always been proud of, I believe a competent leader democratically installed ,should be more than a hope, more a demand no matter which party you most prefer. Precisely why every true Tory, with integrity should get Boris, out.

[Sheepy]

Boris made it quite clear he was not there or involved, Starmer has no where to go.

"Boris ain't going anywhere" I would start packing if I was him. All that gold wallpaper what a waste. 

[Sheepy]

ou'd have to have a lot of hope to think that possible. They are a spent force. They won't dare call an election whilst they have 70 odd majority. We will remain a joke, both at home and abroad. Johnson must go - "do one Boris!"

In fairness we have been a joke since Suez, everybody knows this latest Plan B is a diversionary tactic I don't reckon punish the plebs some more by taking their freedom under the guise you are giving them freedom is going to wash somehow. It reminds of Shakespeare, Et tu Brute

[Barry]

I think Boris, is beyond party politics. 

He seems most aligned with the Green party. I wish he would join them

For me his party owe it to the country to realise his incompetence and put an end to to their having to defend that incompetence .

Absolutely right. The sooner the better. We need leadership not lies and bluster from a failing buffoon.

Of course there is danger in removing him, in so much as that will provoke calls for a GE, and some work would need doing to get back on track. I personally would hope whatever the outcome a competent leader leading a competent government would be the outcome, putting an end to our politics being a joke hear at home, and sadly abroad.

You'd have to have a lot of hope to think that possible. They are a spent force. They won't dare call an election whilst they have 70 odd majority. We will remain a joke, both at home and abroad. Johnson must go - "do one Boris!"

[Good old]

I started a new thread before I saw this one so I'll put it here.

I wrote to my MP some weeks ago to say that BJ either has to improve his performance considerably or he has to go. Today's PMQs seems to be one of the final nails in his political coffin.

As a Conservative (without the blue rinse) and one time member, if there was a moment for BJ to stand tall in Westminster, this was it, and in my book he failed. Once again his performance was weak. His attempt at bouncing accusations back at his accusers seemed lack lustre. So is the Christmas party the problem? Actually I don't think it was. After all Barry claims that he had his and extended the bubble to fit.  (Sorry Barry) After all, these people were in a working bubble presumably. How many others did the same? How many on the Labour benches did the same? I wonder if that will ever come out?

No BJ has lost his mojo and seems to be floundering, unprepared, incoherent, bedraggled and generally lacking sufficient statesmanlike qualities.

Does that mean there is room for Starmer. I certainly hope not but the grey suits need to be knocking on No10's front door.

Who is there to take the lead now. Not Rishi for me but I bet he's rubbing his hands in glee.

I think Boris, is beyond party politics. For me his party owe it to the country to realise his incompetence and put an end to to their having to defend that incompetence . Of course there is danger in removing him, in so much as that will provoke calls for a GE, and some work would need doing to get back on track. I personally would hope whatever the outcome a competent leader leading a competent government would be the outcome, putting an end to our politics being a joke hear at home, and sadly abroad.

[Sheepy]

Cheers Toots. I am sure that the brothers and sisters will be glad to have your vote or abstention.

Well, they might get a shock yet, but I doubt it, they will be just the same and go along with whatever the Westminster party tell them, for all of Boris and his crew ripping the pliss, he has managed to keep them from stepping fully over the line as big a liar as he is. It could still be a lot worse is about the only thing one can say and probably will be when they line the next one up.
Probably why we haven't called him a taxi just yet. He has had enough warnings though.