Think Keir needs another rug.

[Sheepy]

keep telling him , from what i was told , the vast majority in england voted boris and tory to enact the demcoratic decision to brexit. Labour can't deal with it , so they and their supporters gloss over it and hope it goes away or the public forget their behaviour.

All I am doing is telling him the truth, he can believe whatever he chooses or vote for whoever he likes. It doesn't mean anything on the day, as I have said getting rid of waffling Boris who has been fairly hopeless at doing what he has said he would do, won't change much anyway.

[papasmurf]

In short, most folk are thickos and only chaps like Pappy know the truth.

Very few people bother to do some research or to watch BBC Parliament live or Select Committee Meetings.

[Thomas]

All good I am sure but they didn't vote for Boris or the Tories because they thought they were great capitalists. I don't want to say more about it here, as we all know the Westminster party are bandwagon jumpers. You will just have to wait until election time.

keep telling him , from what i was told , the vast majority in england voted boris and tory to enact the demcoratic decision to brexit. Labour cant deal with it , so they and their supporters gloss over it and hope it goes away or the public forget their behaviour.

[Thomas]

Well it's bloody obvious Boris,has no moral compass.

Neither did tony blair .

And the fact that the modern Brit, might support such an individual , or those willing to be led by him, has to reflect on the fact that part of the decline that this country has suffered from is a decline in morality.

The uk has been declining for the best part of the last century. It lost ireland , much of its empire , the pound was once the gold standard currency of the world  , the armed forces were almost unparralled , and in short most uk governemtns of both tory and labour have been in "managed decline" mode for decades. How this is all the fault of one man and one party is nothing more than your delusion.

Morality doesnt come anywhere near it.

[Thomas]

Oh stop it Thomas, if you didn't know and fear the potential of a moderate Labour ,Tory small c, party , what would be the point of your constant reams of material to denigrate them.? Labour, do struggle to bridge any gap, but you know full well only division in the potential opposition to your beloved Tories, is what actually keeps them hard to move. So you give support to any one and anything with a moderate socialist nerve in them  that wavers, to believe  that supporting a minority , will ever remove the Tories. If it's as easy as taking sweets off a kid why do it? You must be frightened of kids.

Is this what you tell yourself each day we talk about sir keir because we fear him?

[Sheepy]

All good I am sure but they didn't vote for Boris or the Tories because they thought they were great capitalists. I don't want to say more about it here, as we all know the Westminster party are bandwagon jumpers. You will just have to wait until election time. 

[Thomas]

Because around 85% of the population are gullible and easily influenced by propaganda however that does not last forever.

thanks pappy , how can we do without you and your team of experts advising us on not voting tory. Oh......except i dont vote tory , and cant stand labour either.

[Good old]

You have to ask yourself the questioin why someone as bumbling as boris johnson is much preferred and his party , to keir starmer and new labour , just as milliband similarly couldnt break through from 2010 to 2015.

Well it's bloody obvious Boris,has no moral compass. And the fact that the modern Brit, might support such an individual , or those willing to be led by him, has to reflect on the fact that part of the decline that this country has suffered from is a decline in morality. Or at least the civilised attempts to maintain standards of morality.It happens to all great Empires so they tell me. Bloody sad I say.

[Borchester]

Because around 85% of the population are gullible and easily influenced by propaganda however that does not last forever.


"that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation"
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.

Also attributed to Joseph Goebbels:-

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

In short, most folk are thickos and only chaps like Pappy know the truth.

[Good old]

Labour and tory , or more properly small c tory and red tory right wing labour are two cheeks of the same arse. We dont need two conservative parties.

You carry on though trying to punt your failed blairite 90`s nonsense.

I dont know how many times we have pointed out over the last decade or so the practical failings of the blairite nonsense , where you ignore 12 million voters largely sympathetic to traditional labour values in order to outbribe a million or so small c tories in marginal seats . Thats before we even come to grips with labours complete failure to come to terms with modern political issues blair didnt face in any major way and was able to sidestep , scot indy and brexit.

While starmer and his mates still keep trying to grab onto the failed legacy of tony blair who lost labour 4 million votes between 1997 and 2005 , long before the financial crash , as a sort of altar of better times labour must try and aspire to , then your party is doomed to destruction.

Honestly , arguing with you blairites is like taking sweeties aff a wean.

Oh stop it Thomas, if you didn't know and fear the potential of a moderate Labour ,Tory small c, party , what would be the point of your constant reams of material to denigrate them.? Labour, do struggle to bridge any gap, but you know full well only division in the potential opposition to your beloved Tories, is what actually keeps them hard to move. So you give support to any one and anything with a moderate socialist nerve in them  that wavers, to believe  that supporting a minority , will ever remove the Tories. If it's as easy as taking sweets off a kid why do it? You must be frightened of kids.

[papasmurf]

You have to ask yourself the questioin why someone as bumbling as boris johnson is much preferred and his party , to keir starmer and new labour , just as milliband similarly couldnt break through from 2010 to 2015.

Because around 85% of the population are gullible and easily influenced by propaganda however that does not last forever.


"that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation"
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.

Also attributed to Joseph Goebbels:-

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

[Thomas]

Two issues sheep. The fact that you can point out faults is an absolute certainty, there is no system without faults. I  can not claim the Labour Party are faultless or ever have been. I can say that if we want to continue to be in a capitalist system, which overwhelmingly our electorate do. Then any alternative would have to be carrying the same potential for elements of society to find fault. And above all to be able to remove governments that fall below expectation. Secondly where is this viable alternative? I have asked, what is it? Where is it already in use to actually run a complete government structure ?

I think you are trying to put the cart before the horse.

You said yourself we are where we are , at present. We face a choice between dumb(tory) and dumber( labour) , and unfortunately for you , for various reasons explained time and again , the majority prefer dumb tories to dumber labour .

You have to ask yourself the questioin why someone as bumbling as boris johnson is much preferred and his party , to keir starmer and new labour , just as milliband similarly couldnt break through from 2010 to 2015.

[Good old]

What good old is trying to tell us, although we can point out all the failings of everything, he wants us believe, he cannot see a better alternative, anything else it not viable, which of course is complete cobblers.

Two issues sheep. The fact that you can point out faults is an absolute certainty, there is no system without faults. I  can not claim the Labour Party are faultless or ever have been. I can say that if we want to continue to be in a capitalist system, which overwhelmingly our electorate do. Then any alternative would have to be carrying the same potential for elements of society to find fault. And above all to be able to remove governments that fall below expectation. Secondly where is this viable alternative? I have asked, what is it? Where is it already in use to actually run a complete government structure ?

[Thomas]

I think Sheep, would follow it. Much earlier I referred to the saying that Labour, and the Tories ,are the two cheeks of the arse. It seems to me as there are only two cheeks that leaves the bit between and nothing very pleasant comes from or resides there. I was trying not to be to obvious. I am knackered though. Time for a read I think.
Not politics.

Labour and tory , or more properly small c tory and red tory right wing labour are two cheeks of the same arse. We dont need two conservative parties.

You carry on though trying to punt your failed blairite 90`s nonsense.

I dont know how many times we have pointed out over the last decade or so the practical failings of the blairite nonsense , where you ignore 12 million voters largely sympathetic to traditional labour values in order to outbribe a million or so small c tories in marginal seats . Thats before we even come to grips with labours complete failure to come to terms with modern political issues blair didnt face in any major way and was able to sidestep , scot indy and brexit.

While starmer and his mates still keep trying to grab onto the failed legacy of tony blair who lost labour 4 million votes between 1997 and 2005 , long before the financial crash , as a sort of altar of better times labour must try and aspire to , then your party is doomed to destruction.

Honestly , arguing with you blairites is like taking sweeties aff a wean.

[Sheepy]

Are you drinking buddy ? You arent being coherent.

What good old is trying to tell us, although we can point out all the failings of everything, he wants us believe, he cannot see a better alternative, anything else it not viable, which of course is complete cobblers.