Voters will have to show ID

[cromwell]

I do not have a problem with UK ID cards at all, most European Countries issue them to their citizens as already stated  one of the problems we have is not knowing how many people are in the UK at the present time, or if they are lawfully here and most importantly who or what they are.



If they were resurrected I think it may increase our security within our own borders, provided they could not be easily forged and easily checkable when presented or demanded.

It only helps prevent illegal immigration if ID is compulsory, which will facilitate totalitarianism.  Bad idea.

Yes Scott totally agree a  bad idea,the very short road to control and loss of freedom.

[Scott777]

I do not have a problem with UK ID cards at all, most European Countries issue them to their citizens as already stated  one of the problems we have is not knowing how many people are in the UK at the present time, or if they are lawfully here and most importantly who or what they are.



If they were resurrected I think it may increase our security within our own borders, provided they could not be easily forged and easily checkable when presented or demanded.

It only helps prevent illegal immigration if ID is compulsory, which will facilitate totalitarianism.  Bad idea.

[Barry]

There will have to be a free 'poll permit' available from all supermarkets, GP surgeries, Post offices, banks etc. I wonder what that would cost.

It should be free.

I've just heard a suggestion that this policy is more likely to deter lower socio-economic groups from voting, and which way are they likely to vote?

 :roll:

[T00ts]

No one has answered what photo ID people will provide who don't have it. Therefore the idea is already flawed.

There will have to be a free 'poll permit' available from all supermarkets, GP surgeries, Post offices, banks etc. I wonder what that would cost.

[Barry]

No one has answered what photo ID people will provide who don't have it. Therefore the idea is already flawed.

[Churchill]

Hmmm, OK. I agree in principal as anything to prevent electoral fraud has to be good.

However:

THIS:



I know there are not many people without photo ID, but the fact there are people without driving licences AND passports, suggests the need for an ID card. I have no problem with this, but I know there are plenty of people that do.

It will also help identify and control who is in the country legally.

To be precise, I could not support compulsory ID cards.  But a requirement purely for voting seems fine.  I think the thin end of the wedge is only when you have to carry ID at all times, but It's a big leap from 'voting' to 'walking down the street'.

Some may not like this but my opinion is



I do not have a problem with UK ID cards at all, most European Countries issue them to their citizens as already stated  one of the problems we have is not knowing how many people are in the UK at the present time, or if they are lawfully here and most importantly who or what they are.



If they were resurrected I think it may increase our security within our own borders, provided they could not be easily forged and easily checkable when presented or demanded.

[Thomas]

Bollocks to that. I am not some towelhead from Tower Hamlets or an Ulster nun. I have voted at the same polling station for the last thirty years without showing ID and I don't intend to start now.

Read a wee bit about this borkie the other day. Looks to be nothing more than a cynical attempt to disenfranchise voters and make things more difficult for folk to vote.



In  elections last year , i read reports out of the millions of votes cast , there were a mere 8 cases of electoral fraud this type of voting with ID is meant to protect from.



Sounds a bit of a joke  , and a bit of an own goal by the tories.

The Electoral Reform Society claimed that out of millions of votes cast in the UK last year, there were just eight allegations of personation fraud – the type of fraud that voter ID is meant to prevent.



Darren Hughes, the chief executive of the ERS, said: "When millions of people lack photo ID, these mooted plans risk raising the drawbridge to huge numbers of marginalised voters – including many elderly and BAME [black, Asian and minority ethnic] voters.



"The government have sat on their hands in the face of the actual threats to electoral integrity: anonymous 'dark ads', dodgy donations and disinformation. Instead of taking on the real issues, they are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.



"Make no mistake, these plans will leave tens of thousands of legitimate voters voiceless. Ministers should focus on combating the real threats to our democracy, rather than suppressing voters' rights."



He added: "This gamble with our democracy will strike many voters as US-style gerrymandering, with Britain's tradition of trust at the ballot box abolished in one swoop. Ministers must think again."

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I think there must be far better ways of stopping any potential voting fraud.

[Churchill]

Wife and I have Postal Votes for the simple reason in the past we have not been able to vote due to work , left home before the Polling Station opened and closed before we got back, on one occasion I was working abroad

[Scott777]

Hmmm, OK. I agree in principal as anything to prevent electoral fraud has to be good.

However:

THIS:

Ministers are planning to introduce a legal requirement for voters to produce photographic ID, in order to safeguard against electoral fraud.

I know there are not many people without photo ID, but the fact there are people without driving licences AND passports, suggests the need for an ID card. I have no problem with this, but I know there are plenty of people that do.

It will also help identify and control who is in the country legally.

To be precise, I could not support compulsory ID cards.  But a requirement purely for voting seems fine.  I think the thin end of the wedge is only when you have to carry ID at all times, but It's a big leap from 'voting' to 'walking down the street'.

[Streetwalker]

How does this stop the electoral fraud during the count?

Surely this is where things can get exploited the most?

The count is pretty locked down nick and all the people do there is actually count under the eye of various party candidates and party members .



Most of the fraud I believe is in the postal vote system especially in areas of high Asian populations  where people are encouraged/told  to register for postal votes which are then filled in by others .

Stopping the postal vote with some exemptions would go a long way in reducing  voting fraud and is something the Brexit party called for after narrowly being beaten in Peterborough by a labour team that included  a previously convicted election fraudster

[T00ts]

What about postal voters?

They'll have to show an unused postage stamp.

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[Nick]

How does this stop the electoral fraud during the count?

Surely this is where things can get exploited the most?

[cromwell]

What about postal voters?

They'll have to show an unused postage stamp.

[T00ts]

Bollocks to that. I am not some towelhead from Tower Hamlets or an Ulster nun. I have voted at the same polling station for the last thirty years without showing ID and I don't intend to start now.

Are you Boris in disguise? If it's the law it's the law. You wanna vote? Get you card out!   ::

[cromwell]

Hmmm, OK. I agree in principal as anything to prevent electoral fraud has to be good.

However:

THIS:

Ministers are planning to introduce a legal requirement for voters to produce photographic ID, in order to safeguard against electoral fraud.

I know there are not many people without photo ID, but the fact there are people without driving licences AND passports, suggests the need for an ID card. I have no problem with this, but I know there are plenty of people that do.

It will also help identify and control who is in the country legally.

Yeah me! Thin end of the wedge Barry where it will start that only such as the police will be able to demand it and then before you know where you are some snotty nosed kid will be demanding it because his superiors have told him,seen it all before.