Nationality and Borders bill

Started by Streetwalker, December 10, 2021, 10:37:04 AM

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Quote from: Streetwalker on December 10, 2021, 10:37:04 AMThe removal of nationality for dual nationals up to no good abroad is also a move in the right direction in protecting the people of the UK .
This is a potential sticking point for me. Firstly, what constitutes up to no good? Breaking the law encompasses everything from mass murder to doing 31 in a 30mph zone and everything in between. At what point does a crime become serious enough to remove nationality and who decides, with what checks and balances and what legal rights to appeal?

And duel nationality includes a lot of people who were born and raised here and have never lived anywhere else. My own mother has duel nationality since her father was an American soldier here during the war, yet she was born and raised here and has never once set foot in the USA.

Yes there will be some who were born and raised elsewhere and migrated here as adults and only gained citizenship much later. Revoking that citizenship for serious crimes makes sense in such cases. But doing so for anyone born here or who were brought here as very young children would be shirking our responsibilities.

And it does tend to pander to the "go back to your own effing country" brigade who so often say this to the children and grandchildren of immigrants who were themselves born here, largely due to skin colour and ethnicity racism. It is a dog whistle law potentially.

I would be fully in favour of this law if it's application were restricted to people not born here and who were adults already when they came here, and that any revocation of citizenship in such cases be at the discretion of a judge rather than a politician. And any offence committed ought to be serious enough to have merited a prison sentence for revocation of citizenship to be a consideration.

Without such limitations we could at it's worst see people who were born and raised here being deported to a country they have no personal experience of for doing 32mph in a 30 zone. If a politician gets to decide they are potentially open to all kinds of partisan considerations, eg is he politically with us or against us, for example. Or has he donated anything to us or our opponents? And so on.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

Streetwalker

Passed in the commons somewhat under the radar with the focus on Christmas parties and covid restrictions .

Its had  plenty of hold ups and delay tactics from the opposition but eventually went through with a majority of 67 . Off to the Lords it goes then ,dont expect it back anytime soon but  expect it back all the same .

What is the Nationality and Borders Bill? Priti Patel's UK immigration plan explained and what it means (inews.co.uk)

The final reading ended with Scots Nationalists trying to intervene but the deputy speaker was having none of it and got quite excited about telling them to sit down .

'SIT DOWN!' Deputy Speaker FURIOUS at SNP trying to block Borders Bill - YouTube  

As for the bill itself I like it . It should reduce illegal immigration which is its main purpose . The removal of nationality for dual nationals up to no good abroad is also a move in the right direction in protecting the people of the UK .

The removal of foreign criminals and failed asylum seekers along with speeding up this process is long overdue .Nationality and Borders Bill: Speeding up removal of foreign criminals factsheet - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) 

How  it all plays out in practice though we will see .