The EU is forcing Poland to choose between money or the constitution

[johnofgwent]

It is worth pointing out that many Polish pilots flying obsolete aircraft against the Luftwaffe in 1939 and who were shot down and subsequently made their way to the west, played a sterling role in the Battle of Britain. Given the chance to fly decent aircraft capable of taking on the Messerschmidts, most proved to be excellent pilots, and - fired by a burning desire for revenge against those oppressing their homeland and it's people - gave the Germans a real head ache. Indeed it was a Polish RAF squadron that shot down more German aircraft than any other RAF squadron in the entire battle.

Perhaps we should bear such things in mind as and when we are tempted to complain about Polish immigrants coming here. Because the ones who came here in 1940 when the chips were down for us, and with their own nation overrun, did both us and themselves proud.

Most are dead now of course, but I felt a need to honour their memory by making this point.

I think you need to remember the entire point about "Polish Immigration" is not that they weren't want d but that thanks to Tony Blair, every single Pole of working age, and every single citizen of 25 other countries, some five hundred million people in all according to a document in the UK office of the EU Parliament in 2009, had the absolute, unstoppable right to jump on a ferry rock up at Dover and demand a NINO and a job .....

And we had no legal way to stop any of them.

Now, we have.

Nothing to do with individuals

Everything to do with no control and no desire on the part of UK politicians to send them back when they could.

[srb7677]

It is Christmas so no need to wind up our Polish friends. That said, I did once suggest that the Battle of Britain was won by Winged Hussars flying PZL P.7s and it took some time before my audience realised that I was taking the urine. Good folk the Poles, but they tend to take themselves a bit seriously.

It is worth pointing out that many Polish pilots flying obsolete aircraft against the Luftwaffe in 1939 and who were shot down and subsequently made their way to the west, played a sterling role in the Battle of Britain. Given the chance to fly decent aircraft capable of taking on the Messerschmidts, most proved to be excellent pilots, and - fired by a burning desire for revenge against those oppressing their homeland and it's people - gave the Germans a real head ache. Indeed it was a Polish RAF squadron that shot down more German aircraft than any other RAF squadron in the entire battle.

Perhaps we should bear such things in mind as and when we are tempted to complain about Polish immigrants coming here. Because the ones who came here in 1940 when the chips were down for us, and with their own nation overrun, did both us and themselves proud.

Most are dead now of course, but I felt a need to honour their memory by making this point.

[Baff]

What is the evil EU arguing about with Poland. Does anyone here know ? does anyone care ? 

The same old shit that happens every time a new judge is appointed to the constitutional courts.
You'd think it wasn't part of the democratic process, listening to the opposing partisan.

If you think it's bad in Poland, cast your mind back to when Trump did it.
Oh the drama.

[Thomas]

Can you tell me where the EU would have any competence over an internal affair in Spain. You accuse the EU of trying to setup a super-state and then you accuse the EU for not getting involved in domestic affairs. Can't you make up your mind which it is, because it can't be both.
Just like the EU didn't get involved in Ireland when the UK were killing thousands because of their religion of birth.

Just as you cant make your mind up , one minute , telling us the holy EU need to deal with nasty polish politicians while the next , they were right to ignore abuses in spain.

Laughable gerry.

Just like the EU didn't get involved in Ireland when the UK were killing thousands because of their religion of birth.

What ?

This you reading waffle from the ladybird book of irish history again gerry? Best not to go there , and stick to numbers if i were you.

[johnofgwent]

You seem confused as to what the EU is. It's not an at distance organisation. It is the member states and it only does what the members say it can do. So you'll obviously prattle on about something the EU has no competence over and brush aside areas that it is involved in. Maybe if the people of the UK had bothered to understand the trade association it was involved in and had spent decades making the rules, then you wouldn't have such animosity toward it. It's not surprising that the UK gutter press would spin the Polish story, nothing new there. Support the liar Johnson and lie about the EU.

You may recall, well I certainly do, but it may be politically uncomfortable for you to recall, that when John Major dragged us into the Maastricht Treaty there was much bullshit spoken about a principle whereby the Maastricht proposed structures would implement a strict policy of (some long word beginning with the letter S) which meant each member state would do as much as it could at its own level, with only the absolute essential common policy being pushed up to the newly created institutions in Brussels (and wherever they decamp to every six months to appease the French)

This protocol lasted for a full ten minutes after which the first if the statists demanded every state defer their legislature to the centre as the single market would not work unless they did.

And then of course the new Lisbon CONSTITUTION r versed the principle, which we never got to reject because someone else (the Poles perhaps, I forget) rejected it first. And the rewrite which was hardly a rewrite was called a treaty so we never got a vote, and the centralised superstate with the power to demand the member states danced to their tune was born ...

[cromwell]

You do know when the EU was formed Gerry? 21 years after the event you're alluding to.

Gerry knows little more than when in doubt hate/blame the Brits/English..

You seem confused as to what the EU is. It's not an at distance organisation. It is the member states and it only does what the members say it can do. So you'll obviously prattle on about something the EU has no competence over and brush aside areas that it is involved in. Maybe if the people of the UK had bothered to understand the trade association it was involved in and had spent decades making the rules, then you wouldn't have such animosity toward it. It's not surprising that the UK gutter press would spin the Polish story, nothing new there. Support the liar Johnson and lie about the EU.

You are the one totally confused and as usual talking eu manure.

Great eh Gerry when they can tell the Polish govt they're breaking eu edicts but turn the other way when it suits,this is fro a pro eu link btw

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-frontex-belarus-border-migration-crisis/

[Nick]

Can you tell me where the EU would have any competence over an internal affair in Spain. You accuse the EU of trying to setup a super-state and then you accuse the EU for not getting involved in domestic affairs. Can't you make up your mind which it is, because it can't be both.
Just like the EU didn't get involved in Ireland when the UK were killing thousands because of their religion of birth.

You do know when the EU was formed Gerry? 21 years after the event you're alluding to. 

[GerryT]

LMFAO.

Pity it wasnt the spanish ruling classes a number of years back , when their hit squads were batoning 80 year old catalans and putting catalan politicians in jail.

Its amazig how the holier than thou EU will turn a blind eye to some of europes ruling classes bad behaviour , and make up puerile excuses , while the next minute they have a problem with the big bad polish ruling classes when it suits.

The cart wheels you do to defend the brussells bureauocrats on this forum is something else .





The EU in 2017 .

Can you tell me where the EU would have any competence over an internal affair in Spain. You accuse the EU of trying to setup a super-state and then you accuse the EU for not getting involved in domestic affairs. Can't you make up your mind which it is, because it can't be both.
Just like the EU didn't get involved in Ireland when the UK were killing thousands because of their religion of birth.

[GerryT]

Of course you think it all rubbish Gerry because by your own admittance you no longer worship the Church of Rome but that of Brussels.

You prattle on about Poland ignoring human rights and democratic principles yet Brussels are quite happy to ignore that in other areas when it suits them aren't they?

You seem confused as to what the EU is. It's not an at distance organisation. It is the member states and it only does what the members say it can do. So you'll obviously prattle on about something the EU has no competence over and brush aside areas that it is involved in. Maybe if the people of the UK had bothered to understand the trade association it was involved in and had spent decades making the rules, then you wouldn't have such animosity toward it. It's not surprising that the UK gutter press would spin the Polish story, nothing new there. Support the liar Johnson and lie about the EU.

[Thomas]

It's their ruling classes that the EU has a problem with.

LMFAO.

Pity it wasnt the spanish ruling classes a number of years back , when their hit squads were batoning 80 year old catalans and putting catalan politicians in jail.

Its amazig how the holier than thou EU will turn a blind eye to some of europes ruling classes bad behaviour , and make up puerile excuses , while the next minute they have a problem with the big bad polish ruling classes when it suits.

The cart wheels you do to defend the brussells bureauocrats on this forum is something else .





The EU in 2017 .

[Borchester]

Of course you think it all rubbish Gerry because by your own admittance you no longer worship the Church of Rome but that of Brussels.

You prattle on about Poland ignoring human rights and democratic principles yet Brussels are quite happy to ignore that in other areas when it suits them aren't they?

So now Gerry has betrayed Mother Church and worships at the feet of the Whore of Brussels? No wonder he hates good Catholics such as Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

That said, Kaczynski does seem a bit of a nut, albeit into animal rights. But the whole business is a bit like a row between the Town Hall and the local cat lady. Overall I reckon that we are lucky to be out of it.

[cromwell]

What is the evil EU arguing about with Poland. Does anyone here know ? does anyone care ?  just read a trash article and swallow it whole. Nothing new, wash, rinse and repeat.

The EU is taking the polish Govt to task over it's interference with the democratic principal of separation of powers in Poland. Where the Govt. has introduced a mechanism of punishment for the court judges. This principal of the law not applying to a certain few can be seen in the UK, maybe the UK, Poland and Hungary should form their own union, but it's not something to be happy about. Democratic countries separate these powers for one good reason, nobody wants a dictator or in other words a king, but Poland's govt is in a power grab and you think their being bullied by the EU, laughable. The people of Poland have recently polled to stay in the EU, not leave. It's their ruling classes that the EU has a problem with.
But if Poland wants to continue on their current course of dictatorship then they can do so outside the EU, but we both know that will never happen.

It wasn't the Polish courts that ruled against the primacy of EU law in certain areas, it was a 'illegal' tribunal, setup by a corrupt Govt.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20211015IPR15016/poland-constitutional-tribunal-is-illegitimate-unfit-to-interpret-constitution

Of course you think it all rubbish Gerry because by your own admittance you no longer worship the Church of Rome but that of Brussels.

You prattle on about Poland ignoring human rights and democratic principles yet Brussels are quite happy to ignore that in other areas when it suits them aren't they?

[GerryT]

What is the evil EU arguing about with Poland. Does anyone here know ? does anyone care ?  just read a trash article and swallow it whole. Nothing new, wash, rinse and repeat.

The EU is taking the polish Govt to task over it's interference with the democratic principal of separation of powers in Poland. Where the Govt. has introduced a mechanism of punishment for the court judges. This principal of the law not applying to a certain few can be seen in the UK, maybe the UK, Poland and Hungary should form their own union, but it's not something to be happy about. Democratic countries separate these powers for one good reason, nobody wants a dictator or in other words a king, but Poland's govt is in a power grab and you think their being bullied by the EU, laughable. The people of Poland have recently polled to stay in the EU, not leave. It's their ruling classes that the EU has a problem with.
But if Poland wants to continue on their current course of dictatorship then they can do so outside the EU, but we both know that will never happen.

It wasn't the Polish courts that ruled against the primacy of EU law in certain areas, it was a 'illegal' tribunal, setup by a corrupt Govt.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20211015IPR15016/poland-constitutional-tribunal-is-illegitimate-unfit-to-interpret-constitution 

[Streetwalker]

The Romanians are catching on now

 Romanian Constitutional Court challenges primacy of EU law | Romania Insider (romania-insider.com)

A wind of change is blowing in the east . 

[Nick]

I hear Hugo Boss has started up its Jack Boots line again 😂