Ghislaine Maxwell guilty

[Sampanviking]

My heads been hurting with regard this whole sordid affair for some time

Why do politicians ,academics, businessmen  or even Royalty need help in attaining sexual services  when the rest of us are quite happy to take our chances in the mating game ? 

Well just remember those sixties and seventies style movies that always had rich and powerful men surrounded by a harem of young women in bikini's that lived for pool parties and such like...

[Borchester]

My heads been hurting with regard this whole sordid affair for some time

Why do politicians ,academics, businessmen  or even Royalty need help in attaining sexual services  when the rest of us are quite happy to take our chances in the mating game ? 

Good point.

All the joy and laughter and such seems to have passed them by. The thing that gets me about this pimping business is how sad and cold blooded it is.

[Streetwalker]

My heads been hurting with regard this whole sordid affair for some time 

Why do politicians ,academics, businessmen  or even Royalty need help in attaining sexual services  when the rest of us are quite happy to take our chances in the mating game ?  

[johnofgwent]

I think I'm going to bed. My head hurts.

If I understand this correctly ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

Back in 2009, the woman who is suing Prince Andrew for screwing her while underage accepted half a million dollars from Epstein in exchange for an undertaking NOT to sue anyone who screwed her as part of her being groomed for Epstein

So Randy Andy's legal team are going to try and say she can't sue him because she signed that agreement.

Now I'm not a lawyer.

But in order to receive the protection that document provides, isn't Randy Andy going to have to admit Epstein lined her up as part of a package of under age totty for him to have his way with

[Borchester]

I agree to a certain extent but one of the girls was 14, she needed to be protected from all this.

Quite. Teenage girls get up to all manner of things, and as long as they do it with teenage boys then no harm is done. But when it is with middle aged men, well that is a bit nasty.

[johnofgwent]

I think I've found the best comment on this on the whole webthingy

[Nick]

I can't say that I have any sympathy for any of the parties in this business.
Ultimately though, my sympathies lie with the real victims of real sex slavery/trafficking, which is something that none of these complainant woman are.

All I see are a bunch of willing party girls who were only too happy to do what it took in order to be kept and party at luxury villas and on luxury yachts and to entertain the very rich and famous. I suspect that any complaint is based on the fact that they did not manage to bag a Prince or Billionaire for themselves, which no doubt had been the plan all along!

I agree to a certain extent but one of the girls was 14, she needed to be protected from all this. 

[Nick]

I can't see it happening . A short sentence will just fuel conspiracy theories of who's involved .  The yanks will lock her up for a long time and know  we will all forget about her and the whole sordid affair .

She will sing like a bird to get a sentence that will allow her to see the light of day and not die inside. I'm betting they want Andy's head on a plate, and I bet he is now 💩 his pants. 

[johnofgwent]

She may well be guilty but I just wonder if anyone has thought about the relationship between her and Epstein. A man like that is adept at what he does and even though he was pretty evil I suspect he did a job on Maxwell that made her behave in a way that in other circumstances she would not have done.

I have little doubt that she was groomed by him from the outset and fell into the trap that he would eventually marry her. It always surprises me how vulnerable women can be, imagining themselves in love but not realising how toxic a relationship can be. It's a slow process but eventually it feels impossible to escape. I actually feel very sorry for her. Not that she didn't do wrong, but that she couldn't see what was happening.

I have taken absolutely zero interest in this issue until now.

Same goes for randy Andy's taste in escorts.

HOWEVER

The beeb put up one remark in their page of delight at the latest problem befalling the British Establishment

Which is that Andy apparently robustly declared, and has continued to declare, that his only connection with the bloke who conveniently ended up dead before he could enter the witness box was a long standing friendship with this woman.

I wonder who will fall off the back of a yacht next ??

[Good old]

I can't see it happening . A short sentence will just fuel conspiracy theories of who's involved .  The yanks will lock her up for a long time and know  we will all forget about her and the whole sordid affair .

I think that would be their ideal. But aren't they hell bent on flushing, Andrew down the drain? That in its self draws  the light back on to Maxwell.  To say nothing of the fact that Andrew, was only one of possibly hundreds entertained by Epstein, and surely Maxwell, is the best witness to their behaviour, outside of the girls involved . Question Andrew, and you have question every single business mogul, that ever received Epstein, hospitality. And Maxwell, has that in her locker.

[Sampanviking]

I cant say that I have any sympathy for any of the parties in this business.
Ultimately though, my sympathies lie with the real victims of real sex slavery/trafficking, which is something that none of these complainant woman are.

All I see are a bunch of willing party girls who were only too happy to do what it took in order to be kept and party at luxury villas and on luxury yachts and to entertain the very rich and famous. I suspect that any complaint is based on the fact that they did not manage to bag a Prince or Billionaire for themselves, which no doubt had been the plan all along!

[Streetwalker]

A good deal could easily be a short sentence.

I cant see it happening . A short sentence will just fuel conspiracy theories of who's involved .   The yanks will lock her up for a long time and know  we will all forget about her and the whole sordid affair . 

[T00ts]

She may well be guilty but I just wonder if anyone has thought about the relationship between her and Epstein. A man like that is adept at what he does and even though he was pretty evil I suspect he did a job on Maxwell that made her behave in a way that in other circumstances she would not have done. 

I have little doubt that she was groomed by him from the outset and fell into the trap that he would eventually marry her. It always surprises me how vulnerable women can be, imagining themselves in love but not realising how toxic a relationship can be. It's a slow process but eventually it feels impossible to escape. I actually feel very sorry for her. Not that she didn't do wrong, but that she couldn't see what was happening.

[johnofgwent]

I am minded of the summing up when the man who supplied cluster bombs to Saddam Hussein, and bankrupted my employer of eight years through dodgy dealings of "night manager" proportions, was brought to trial.

Jim Guerin was told to his face by the (US) court judge that he should not be too concerned, as "patriots do not spend significant amounts of time incarcerated"

It was the inspiration for the final scenes of Nicholas Cage's "warlord"

And I suspect something similar will occur now.

[cromwell]

I think the good deal was not guilty . Which leaves just the other two options

A good deal could easily be a short sentence.