Honours?

[Good old]

The petition wont make a blind bit of difference to the knighthood either way , but its funny how the constant attempts to rehabilitate tony blairs tarnished image with the public fails to bear fruit yet again , the man is that hated.

Cromwell has a valid point , you flag up a polling sample of a 1000 people when it suits if it shows keef might have a minority government two years from any meaningfull westmisnter election , but you dismiss a million people signature against your hero blair when public opinion doesnt suit.

Nothin to do with mob rule, you and your new labour heroes hate public opinion so you deride it or ignore it. Wait till election time  , when they slap you in the face yet again.

Cromwell , flagged the 1000. Petition. Not a sample poll. Either way I didn't flag either.
I dismiss it because it's not public opinion until it reaches a majority of public opinion and seeing as they are some way from that I am not ready to accept it as ( public opinion end of). 

[Thomas]

Just as you dismiss me.. I wouldn't sign a petition one way or the other. Mob rule at the end of a finger.

The petition wont make a blind bit of difference to the knighthood either way , but its funny how the constant attempts to rehabilitate tony blairs tarnished image with the public fails to bear fruit yet again , the man is that hated.

Cromwell has a valid point , you flag up a polling sample of a 1000 people when it suits if it shows keef might have a minority government two years from any meaningfull westmisnter election , but you dismiss a million people signature against your hero blair when public opinion doesnt suit.

Nothin to do with mob rule, you and your new labour heroes hate public opinion so you deride it or ignore it. Wait till election time  , when they slap you in the face yet again.

[Good old]

REVEALED: Newly knighted millionaire former PM Tony Blair and his wife Cherie claimed almost £80,000 in taxpayer funds to cover the wages of staff at Lady Blair's law firm

• Tony and Cherie Blair claimed almost £80,000 from the British furlough scheme
• That is despite the former Labour Prime Minister and his wife's huge wealth
• A spokesman said they had £76,000 to cover staff wages at Lady Blair's law firm
• Meanwhile Sir Tony's wealth on its own is estimated at anything up to £50million
• It came as a petition to strip him of his knighthood passed one million signatures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380485/Blairs-claimed-80-000-taxpayer-funds-furlough-cash-despite-private-wealth.html

So it's not Cheries firm then?

[Good old]

Great so you think peoples thoughts count because you expect labour might wing the next election but dismiss a million just like that and the majority in a poll which you airily dismiss too.

You might be in for a surprise I don't think you or labour capable of pulling anything out of a hat.

Just as you dismiss me.. I wouldn't sign a petition one way or the other. Mob rule at the end of a finger.

[cromwell]

I think we have talked about it. And I don't say the monarchy is infallible.just happen to think it's not wrong this time.
The crown often gets questioned , the monarch rarely. It's typical of this government to isolate the monarch in this way anyway, because it's highly unlikely their advice played no part in the decision to offer this knighthood.
I acknowledge how the public appear to show their attitude to this award. Curse me for my sins but it's not a form of democracy that actually counts in our country, maybe it will one day, God preserve us. . But as it is nowhere near showing a majority of opinion it still deserve little or no respect.
Being in a minority here is not hard is it? If taken across the 10 or so regular contributors , the only constant is an aversion to Labour , New Labour in particular. But that's not the end of the world as it doesn't reflect anywhere near the whole story in the electorate in general. For this particular subject I prefer to leave it to others to keep repeating there attitudes to Blair, and the petition and it's chances. It's not as if I'm going to surprise anyone with a rabbit out of the hat is it?

Great so you think peoples thoughts count because you expect labour might wing the next election but dismiss a million just like that and the majority in a poll which you airily dismiss too.

You might be in for a surprise I don't think you or labour capable of pulling anything out of a hat.

[Thomas]

[Thomas]

There is the problem if you looked there would be a never ending list of high level Tory's have made use of furlough.
But no propaganda factor there. It would seem everything ,and everyone that is not Tory has to have no right to protect their business interests legally. So I'm told they mustn't ever sip Champers. In fact if you want to successfully maintain a political stance that isn't strictly Tory, it's a good idea if you are also a saint in your spare time.

The difference is  , labours hypocrisy yet again on the subject is flagged up for all to see.

Labour were complaining about tory donors using taxpayers goodwill to pay staff , and then make donations to the tory party , then labour were caught out doing the same thing , now this with blair.

Its not the fact blair or labour are doing the same thing as everyone else that sticks in my craw , its the fact they present themselves as whiter than white while casting stones at the tories or anyone else abusing taxpayers funds , then get caught doing the same thing themselves.

You would think they would have the mother wit to keep their traps shut by now , but no not  labour.

[Thomas]

I think we have talked about it. And I don't say the monarchy is infallible.just happen to think it's not wrong this time.
The crown often gets questioned , the monarch rarely. It's typical of this government to isolate the monarch in this way anyway, because it's highly unlikely their advice played no part in the decision to offer this knighthood.
I acknowledge how the public appear to show their attitude to this award. Curse me for my sins but it's not a form of democracy that actually counts in our country, maybe it will one day, God preserve us. . But as it is nowhere near showing a majority of opinion it still deserve little or no respect.
Being in a minority here is not hard is it? If taken across the 10 or so regular contributors , the only constant is an aversion to Labour , New Labour in particular. But that's not the end of the world as it doesn't reflect anywhere near the whole story in the electorate in general. For this particular subject I prefer to leave it to others to keep repeating there attitudes to Blair, and the petition and it's chances. It's not as if I'm going to surprise anyone with a rabbit out of the hat is it?

Another post full of empty platitudes and banal rubbish. I will let cromwell answer this if he can be bothered , but this interested me here...

the only constant is an aversion to Labour , New Labour in particular. But that's not the end of the world as it doesn't reflect anywhere near the whole story in the electorate in general.

What do you mean by doesnt reflect the electorate in general?

The aversion to new labour?

If so , what  are you on about? Labour have been out of power since 2007 in scotland , and approaching 12 years at westminster. Most of that time has been a failure to get elected by blairites , not corbyn.

Blairites like murphy and milliband took labour to their worst defeat in history in scotland , and starmer hasnt exactly set the heather alight with his inept blairite politics in england has he?

So quite clearly  , the comparison between the aversion with new labour on this forum is matched uk wide despite your wishfull thinking otherwise.

Tony blair took a labour party that was on the up under kinnock and smith , who both did all the donkey work  for him , and left labour a dishevelled unelectable mess so bitterely divided it has been unable to recover and win an election outside of wales ever since.

Come back mate when you win an election . Your messiahs legacy is ashes.

[Good old]

Well, to be fair, quite a lot of very rich bastard's took money from the government to fund the salaries of their furloughed employees

If only I still had access to the servers in the Chippenham private wealth investment arm of a fairly major Irish Bank ..

They had some very interesting records of the transactions of politically exposed persons who came to them asking for help hiding the sacks of cash in blind trusts ......

Sadly I think the office was relocated after they found the porn on the CEO's laptop after I reported their IT security as laughable to their IT people as part of my duty of care ...

There is the problem if you looked there would be a never ending list of high level Tory's have made use of furlough.
But no propaganda factor there. It would seem everything ,and everyone that is not Tory has to have no right to protect their business interests legally. So I'm told they mustn't ever sip Champers. In fact if you want to successfully maintain a political stance that isn't strictly Tory, it's a good idea if you are also a saint in your spare time.

[johnofgwent]

REVEALED: Newly knighted millionaire former PM Tony Blair and his wife Cherie claimed almost £80,000 in taxpayer funds to cover the wages of staff at Lady Blair's law firm

• Tony and Cherie Blair claimed almost £80,000 from the British furlough scheme
• That is despite the former Labour Prime Minister and his wife's huge wealth
• A spokesman said they had £76,000 to cover staff wages at Lady Blair's law firm
• Meanwhile Sir Tony's wealth on its own is estimated at anything up to £50million
• It came as a petition to strip him of his knighthood passed one million signatures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380485/Blairs-claimed-80-000-taxpayer-funds-furlough-cash-despite-private-wealth.html

Well, to be fair, quite a lot of very rich bastard's took money from the government to fund the salaries of their furloughed employees

If only I still had access to the servers in the Chippenham private wealth investment arm of a fairly major Irish Bank ..

They had some very interesting records of the transactions of politically exposed persons who came to them asking for help hiding the sacks of cash in blind trusts ......

Sadly I think the office was relocated after they found the porn on the CEO's laptop after I reported their IT security as laughable to their IT people as part of my duty of care ...

[Good old]

Well just because we don't agree is every reason we should talk about it isn't this what this sites all about ? anyway the monarchy like the pope isn't infallible.

Why shouldn't the crown be questioned? it has been before and if it wants to survive needs to listen and whilst you deride that it's only just over a million bear in mind there are several of these petitions all with numbers in tens of thousands signing,there is one supporting the award and Bliar and it has attracted a smidge over a thousand votes 

Because you are in a minority of one  on this no need to give up   Cue one or two now declaring support for you.

I think we have talked about it. And I don't say the monarchy is infallible.just happen to think it's not wrong this time.
The crown often gets questioned , the monarch rarely. It's typical of this government to isolate the monarch in this way anyway, because it's highly unlikely their advice played no part in the decision to offer this knighthood.
I acknowledge how the public appear to show their attitude to this award. Curse me for my sins but it's not a form of democracy that actually counts in our country, maybe it will one day, God preserve us. . But as it is nowhere near showing a majority of opinion it still deserve little or no respect.
Being in a minority here is not hard is it? If taken across the 10 or so regular contributors , the only constant is an aversion to Labour , New Labour in particular. But that's not the end of the world as it doesn't reflect anywhere near the whole story in the electorate in general. For this particular subject I prefer to leave it to others to keep repeating there attitudes to Blair, and the petition and it's chances. It's not as if I'm going to surprise anyone with a rabbit out of the hat is it? 

[Barry]

REVEALED: Newly knighted millionaire former PM Tony Blair and his wife Cherie claimed almost £80,000 in taxpayer funds to cover the wages of staff at Lady Blair's law firm

• Tony and Cherie Blair claimed almost £80,000 from the British furlough scheme
• That is despite the former Labour Prime Minister and his wife's huge wealth
• A spokesman said they had £76,000 to cover staff wages at Lady Blair's law firm
• Meanwhile Sir Tony's wealth on its own is estimated at anything up to £50million
• It came as a petition to strip him of his knighthood passed one million signatures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380485/Blairs-claimed-80-000-taxpayer-funds-furlough-cash-despite-private-wealth.html

Amazing how greedy those bstrds are.

[Thomas]

Lady Blair,

REVEALED: Newly knighted millionaire former PM Tony Blair and his wife Cherie claimed almost £80,000 in taxpayer funds to cover the wages of staff at Lady Blair's law firm

• Tony and Cherie Blair claimed almost £80,000 from the British furlough scheme
• That is despite the former Labour Prime Minister and his wife's huge wealth
• A spokesman said they had £76,000 to cover staff wages at Lady Blair's law firm
• Meanwhile Sir Tony's wealth on its own is estimated at anything up to £50million
• It came as a petition to strip him of his knighthood passed one million signatures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380485/Blairs-claimed-80-000-taxpayer-funds-furlough-cash-despite-private-wealth.html

[Barry]

Lady Blair, 

[Thomas]

Well just because we don't agree is every reason we should talk about it isn't this what this sites all about ? anyway the monarchy like the pope isn't infallible.

Why shouldn't the crown be questioned? it has been before and if it wants to survive needs to listen and whilst you deride that it's only just over a million bear in mind there are several of these petitions all with numbers in tens of thousands signing,there is one supporting the award and Bliar and it has attracted a smidge over a thousand votes 

Because you are in a minority of one  on this no need to give up   Cue one or two now declaring support for you.

I think you had it right the first time cromwell , yet more desperate defending of tony blair by his worshipper good old.

I think its great seeing the amount of people who hate the man with a passion , and it must be a crushing blow to the egos of blairites seeing the vehemence by which their hero is despised.

I see daft keir was defending blairs knighthood , how i laughed. Sir keir doesnt half know how to back a losing horse