The Corbyn is feeling the water?

[Sheepy]

One thing I think I can say with certainty. There are resurgent populist forces on both the right and the left, constrained by the two party stitch up, but both are going to have an irresistable impact in the fullness of time. People cannot be silenced forever.

Just biding our time, we know it is coming. 

[Streetwalker]

One thing I think I can say with certainty. There are resurgent populist forces on both the right and the left, constrained by the two party stitch up, but both are going to have an irresistable impact in the fullness of time. People cannot be silenced forever.

I would agree and with a break up of the left will lead to a break up of the right . Especially with the conservatives  turning green , the time is ripe .

Power to the people !

[srb7677]

LOL but as usual everyone is trying to convince everyone else it is purely a two-horse race, I wouldn't be so sure. We populists are not saying much for now.

One thing I think I can say with certainty. There are resurgent populist forces on both the right and the left, constrained by the two party stitch up, but both are going to have an irresistable impact in the fullness of time. People cannot be silenced forever.

[Sheepy]

So driving him out of the party so he can be a rallying point for the left in opposition to your lot as well as the Tories, is clearly idiotic tactically, is it not? You need to have a few stern words with Starmer if you dont want that to happen

LOL but as usual everyone is trying to convince everyone else it is purely a two-horse race, I wouldn't be so sure. We populists are not saying much for now.

[srb7677]

Corbyn, taking even 10% would only be helping to put the removal of the Tories , back to a place possibly beyond democracy.

So driving him out of the party so he can be a rallying point for the left in opposition to your lot as well as the Tories, is clearly idiotic tactically, is it not? You need to have a few stern words with Starmer if you dont want that to happen

[srb7677]

I'll be interested on srb's view on this one. Would Steve go for a Corbynista party?

The simple answer is yes. Hundreds of thousands of genuine left wingers have either already left the party or are teetering on the edge. We all communicate with each other and stay in touch, but are reduced to voting for whomever the most progressive candidates are in our local areas. In most cases that would not be Labour. I would probably vote Green. There is a massive desire to unite behind a genuine alternative, but we need leaders around which to rally. Corbyn could act as that rallying point, and socialist members of the Labour party would probably defect to it. There are hundreds of thousands who have left the Labour party or are just barely hanging on who would flock to it and provide a mass membership. And we are the ones who used to do most of the footwork and campaigning for Labour.

The idiots running the party have no sense at all. Corbyn is hugely popular on the left still and many would rally to him. Corbyn is potentially far more dangerous to Labour outside the party than inside. Didn't some American dude once say that it was better to have potentially dangerous opponents inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in? The greatest hope we on the left have is to have a prominent figure or group of figures we can all rally round. And no one could better serve that purpose than Corbyn. And Labour seem to be driving him to it when he'd probably prefer to remain a Labour MP.  They are stupid because as a Labour MP he is no threat to them, just a maverick voice. But outside the party, acting as a rallying point for the left, he potentially poses an existential threat to the party.

I communicate with a great many on the left, most of us now outside the party, a few still inside. And the almost unanimous opinion amongst all of us is that the best thing that could happen is for Corbyn to leave Labour or be ejected so he can act as a rallying point for a new force on the left.Everyone I communicate with on the left, everywhere in the country - including those still in Labour - are unanimous in the opinion that were a new party to form with Corbyn as a prominent figure, we'd all join within days, if not hours. Whatever his unpopularity amongst some sections of the electorate, he is, and always was, a hugely popular figure on the left. 

What would result would be a new party with hundreds of thousands of new members, including in all likelihood defecting socialist Labour MPs giving it parliamentary representation, and a far bigger threat to Labour than any other splinter group on the left has ever been. And Starmer is a bloody idiot for doing his damndest to make it happen.

[Good old]

A split in the labour vote can only be good news for the conservatives though I dont know why he would want to set up another party .

Just join the Socialist Party .

Absolutely it's good news for the Tories. Bad news for the country, because unless the Labour movement can be as capable of unity, or at least what passes for unity, as the Tories ,then there will never be any chance of them implementing policy that either ,Starmer, or Corbyn, or anyone between them, would want.
One things for sure, Corbyn, will not take the whole Labour vote with him. As long  as it remains first past the post,
Corbyn, taking even 10% would only be helping to put the removal of the Tories , back to a place possibly beyond democracy.

[Barry]

I'll be interested on srb's view on this one. Would Steve go for a Corbynista party?

[Sheepy]

A split in the labour vote can only be good news for the conservatives though I dont know why he would want to set up another party .

Just join the Socialist Party .

I would guess it is one of those double-edged swords, the Corbyn raised the membership of the Labour party massively and is massively popular in the Labour movement. Which Sir Keir really ain't. 

[Streetwalker]

A split in the labour vote can only be good news for the conservatives though I dont know why he would want to set up another party . 

Just join the Socialist Party . 

[Sheepy]

Jeremy Corbyn 'could launch new political party' before election (msn.com)
The Dawg will be furious, as the Corbyn might eventually work out you don't change a thing by being part of anything you set out to change, as you just become part of it.

Red pill or blue pill?