The EU. Authoritarianism versus democracy.

[Thomas]

Reading that I seriously think you must be some kind of a clown, to think Corbyn would have a lifetime of his own beliefs turned by me,. Or a clown for that matter.
If this present government doesn't get its finger out ,and quickly they will have ,if not you but a good many pleased to find a cave to live in. And the way they are going on the cost of power and heating. There will be a total reliance on matches and a pile of twigs. And all the time the Tories will be partying in Westminster for fact.
It strikes me you can't see ,smell , or hear, what's happening under your nose. So lacking sense

Insults from you are worn like a badge of honour.

[Nick]

Don't they have control of VAT, green levies, subsidiaries, policy and general taxation?

Doesn't mean a thing when there is a global squeeze on fuel prices. 

[cromwell]

Well it might've been a plan not to waste the oil and gas to make themselves look good.

Mind none of them go for the long term do they,went out of the window decades ago.

[srb7677]

And how are the Tories responsible for the price of Fuels today?

No sensible person will say the government is solely responsible for whatever happens economically, especially in a globalised economy. Sometimes it can do things to nudge people towards or away from certain types of economic activity within it's own borders, eg by increasing taxes on some economic activities and reducing them on others. It can mandate minimum wage levels, in work benefits, pensions, and so on.

But insofar as massive price hikes in certain commodities in a globalised economy is concerned, what it does to help people in such a situation is how it will be judged. There are always things any government can do to help, ranging from reducing or abolishing taxes like VAT on such commodities, or targetting additional finances towards those who are struggling the most, similar to the winter fuel payments for pensioners, or even subsidies to reduce the price of such commodities at the point of payment. Of course, none of these options are themselves without cost, which is itself another problem.

[Borchester]

VAT I suspect will go in April. But isn't going green Johnsons baby? He certainly was in his element in Glasgow. I doubt he will take away the green levies. However if someone take over his premiership, I agree, it's bungs to the greens.

I have a nasty feeling you might be right. I have long felt that Boris was the sort of amoral son of a bitch that this country needs. But it could be that he jumped on the Climate Change bandwagon in the insane belief that the tree huggers (graceless whores' melts that they are) would be grateful. If so Bojo is showing a mellow, kinder side of himself that we have not seen before and frankly it makes me feel sick.

[B0ycey]

That is right. And I imagine that with his back to the wall, Boris will probably reduce the VAT on fuel and bungs to the Greens, neither of which are popular with the Tory grassroots.

VAT I suspect will go in April. But isn't going green Johnsons baby? He certainly was in his element in Glasgow. I doubt he will take away the green levies. However if someone take over his premiership, I agree, it's bungs to the greens.

[Borchester]

Don't they have control of VAT, green levies, subsidiaries, policy and general taxation?

That is right. And I imagine that with his back to the wall, Boris will probably reduce the VAT on fuel and bungs to the Greens, neither of which are popular with the Tory grassroots.

[Good old]

Don't they have control of VAT, green levies, subsidiaries, policy and general taxation?

I think Nick, has a touch of the Boris,s , Boycey. No one told him that.

[B0ycey]

And how are the Tories responsible for the price of Fuels today?

Don't they have control of VAT, green levies, subsidiaries, policy and general taxation?

[Good old]

And how are the Tories responsible for the price of Fuels today?

Their watch, Nick. They get to decide how to make a situation, that is going to ease the already growing situation of fuel poverty. It's not as if they don't possess some tools, it's up to them how they use them. 
So far not looking to good. 

[Nick]

And the way they are going on the cost of power and heating.

And how are the Tories responsible for the price of Fuels today?

[Good old]

as i said , i hope corbyn isnt put off by clowns like good old demanding the wheel is left alone and not broken.

If it was down to blairites like good old , we would still be living in caves wating to discover fire while the blairites partied on in westmisnter.

Reading that I seriously think you must be some kind of a clown, to think Corbyn would have a lifetime of his own beliefs turned by me,. Or a clown for that matter.
If this present government doesn't get its finger out ,and quickly they will have ,if not you but a good many pleased to find a cave to live in. And the way they are going on the cost of power and heating. There will be a total reliance on matches and a pile of twigs. And all the time the Tories will be partying in Westminster for fact.
It strikes me you can't see ,smell , or hear, what's happening under your nose. So lacking sense

[Thomas]

Most of us on the left desperately want Corbyn or some other person of gravitas to do exactly that. We are waiting to follow. But it needs people of some credibility and standing to lead it. If someone like me tried to do it I'd just be laughed at inasmuch as anyone paid any notice in the first place. It needs to be started and led by someone with a large following on the left. Some sort of nationally known figure.

as i said , i hope corbyn isnt put off by clowns like good old demanding the wheel is left alone and not broken.

If it was down to blairites like good old , we would still be living in caves wating to discover fire while the blairites partied on in westmisnter.

[srb7677]

I also hope left wing socialists in england and corbyn arent put off starting their own party rather than sticking with the shit that is starmers new labour.

The same people telling you the status quo can't be changed and you have to keep doing the same thing over and over again by voting new labour are like the same people throughout history who said the status quo couldnt be changed.

They were probably saying the same thing about giving the plebs the vote , that is would never happen .

Most of us on the left desperately want Corbyn or some other person of gravitas to do exactly that. We are waiting to follow. But it needs people of some credibility and standing to lead it. If someone like me tried to do it I'd just be laughed at inasmuch as anyone paid any notice in the first place. It needs to be started and led by someone with a large following on the left. Some sort of nationally known figure.

[Thomas]

Starmer's strategy appears to be just sitting there, saying and doing nothing but uttering empty platitudes and slogans and soundbites and trying to look a little bit less shit than the Tories. That this pitiful strategy is having any success at all is entirely due to the immense efforts of Boris to make himself and the Tories look as shit as possible. But the success of Starmer's pitiful strategy - such as it is - will never survive a change of Tory leader.

It is never enough for governments to lose elections. Oppositions have to win them by offering something inspiring enough to get millions to want to vote for them. But Starmer is to inspiration what a small piece of lettuce is to the quenching of hunger.

I also hope left wing socialists in england and corbyn arent put off starting their own party rather than sticking with the shit that is starmers new labour.

The same people telling you the status quo cant be changed and you have to keep doing the same thing over and over again by voting new labour are like the same people throughout history who said the status quo couldnt be changed.

They were probably saying the same thing about giving the plebs the vote , that is would never happen .