The days of state-run TV are over': Dorries clobbers the BBC with a £2bil cut .

[Good old]

Keep digging...

Why would I need . It's you that is in a hole on this. Nationally the NHS, in 2019 was not performing as well as it was in 2010 and it was performing far worse in 1998 than it was in the intervening years to 2010.
There was only one party in power before 1998,and on the whole only one party after 2010. Surely you know who that was..?

[srb7677]

That's England Only. And that was a statement that England reached all time highs in demand in the year before the pandemic. I think you will find the same assessment if your beloved Corbynista worshipping Marxists west of Offa's Dyke for the same period were far worse, showing that in fact even at the worst if times Conservative run NHS facilities are only half as strained as Welsh Labour ones

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Well either Welsh Labour must be doing something right or the Welsh people are blithering idiots. Because they keep voting for them.

Which is it?

[johnofgwent]

Shouldn't have to tell you who this is.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/nhs-pressures-in-england-waiting-times-demand-and-capacity/

That's England Only. And that was a statement that England reached all time highs in demand in the year before the pandemic. I think you will find the same assessment if your beloved Corbynista worshipping Marxists west of Offa's Dyke for the same period were far worse, showing that in fact even at the worst if times Conservative run NHS facilities are only half as strained as Welsh Labour ones 

Keep digging...

[Thomas]

 And it's very clear Nationally the Labour government was operating a better service than was the case before it took power, or after it left power.

;D

[Good old]

Tell me who they are, and who pays their salary, and then I might bother. Because they look just like another bunch of lying lobbyist scum.

Shouldn't have to tell you who this is.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/nhs-pressures-in-england-waiting-times-demand-and-capacity/

[johnofgwent]

Try this one. You won't take it seriously but there you go.

https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/nhs-performance-and-waiting-times

Tell me who they are, and who pays their salary, and then I might bother. Because they look just like another bunch of lying lobbyist scum. 

[Good old]

You cite a document written by a bunch of lobbyists part of a Boston USA think tank led by some billionaire Singaporean, who fail miserably to even realise Blair has shredded the NHS from the single entity he inherited from Nye Bevan into four separate regional quangos deliberately set at each others throats to make money from the other three, and you expect me to take you seriously ......

Try this one. You won't take it seriously but there you go.

https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/nhs-performance-and-waiting-times

[johnofgwent]

What I indicated was a better use of beds, and a improvement in intensive care facility. . It's very clear from the piece I supply that national performance was improved markedly . Even allowing for an international trend of health care system operating with less actual beds.  This performance has not been maintained after 2010.
Waiting times are a mess again nationally. There might be a percentage difference in Wales, but it's clear the problem emanates  from Westminster. And it's very clear Nationally the Labour government was operating a better service than was the case before it took power, or after it left power.


https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/nhs-plan-reducing-waiting-times-providing-high-quality-patient-care-uk

You cite a document written by a bunch of lobbyists part of a Boston USA think tank led by some billionaire Singaporean, who fail miserably to even realise Blair has shredded the NHS from the single entity he inherited from Nye Bevan into four separate regional quangos deliberately set at each others throats to make money from the other three, and you expect me to take you seriously ......

[Good old]

Did he really

https://www.conservatives.wales/news/welsh-nhs-hospital-beds-plunge-30-over-20-years

This is a Tory party in Wales page highlighting the very opposite, a fall in the number of available beds from 15000 when you say the Tories f**ked it up to 10,000 in 2016


https://www.conservatives.wales/news/welsh-nhs-patients-still-condemned-longer-waits-england

Two years later and Welsh NHS waiting list figures show huge differences in waiting times to see a consultant, so much so that the English NHS is building special centres along the marches border to offer Welsh GPs with fund holding status the opportunity to pay the English NHS to see their patients ....I've been referred to one twice, and each of my daughter's to other ones

https://www.darrenmillar.wales/news/record-breaking-welsh-nhs-all-wrong-reasons

Three years later and they're breaking records for all the wrong reasons, CUTTING expenditure and facing most if the trust's in special measures because if their fuckups

If you are going to pretend black is white you might post where you're getting your lies from. These were Welsh assembly figures

What I indicated was a better use of beds, and a improvement in intensive care facility. . It's very clear from the piece I supply that national performance was improved markedly . Even allowing for an international trend of health care system operating with less actual beds.  This performance has not been maintained after 2010. 
Waiting times are a mess again nationally. There might be a percentage difference in Wales, but it's clear the problem emanates  from Westminster. And it's very clear Nationally the Labour government was operating a better service than was the case before it took power, or after it left power. 


https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/nhs-plan-reducing-waiting-times-providing-high-quality-patient-care-uk

[johnofgwent]

Tony Blair, took the 1998 mess left by the Tories and turned it round to a point where by its waiting lists were reduced to acceptable levels. Bed problems eased . All of this is well recorded, and easy to access. If you had someone down there wanting more , it does not reflect on the national situation  being as bad then as it was before or after Labour.  Even  before Covid, it was clear the Tories had managed to return the service back to 1998 levels. If they moan down there now it's justified. Because they have less in real terms to work with than they had back when Blair, was in the seat.
You can laugh mate, it makes me f—king cry.
Devolution has not given you full control over health, it merely charges you with handling a service with budget and other restraints coming from national policy.  Exactly as the SNP ,realise.

Did he really

https://www.conservatives.wales/news/welsh-nhs-hospital-beds-plunge-30-over-20-years

This is a Tory party in Wales page highlighting the very opposite, a fall in the number of available beds from 15000 when you say the Tories fucked it up to 10,000 in 2016


https://www.conservatives.wales/news/welsh-nhs-patients-still-condemned-longer-waits-england

Two years later and Welsh NHS waiting list figures show huge differences in waiting times to see a consultant, so much so that the English NHS is building special centres along the marches border to offer Welsh GPs with fund holding status the opportunity to pay the English NHS to see their patients ....I've been referred to one twice, and each of my daughter's to other ones 

https://www.darrenmillar.wales/news/record-breaking-welsh-nhs-all-wrong-reasons

Three years later and they're breaking records for all the wrong reasons, CUTTING expenditure and facing most if the trust's in special measures because if their fuckups 

If you are going to pretend black is white you might post where you're getting your lies from. These were Welsh assembly figures

[Borchester]

well if the bbc is as good as everyone says , im sure they will be queing up to subscribe to it.

One of my neighbours is a BBC producer and I made that point to her, but it did not seem to cheer her up

[Good old]

We don't need anyone to tell us who is pulling the strings at the SNP either good old, we have known for a while.

Oh, really sheep, maybe not you, but there is a few on here that seem to be otherwise.

[papasmurf]

So do smurfs.

I wouldn't know, never seen the TV or the films.

[Barry]

GB news seems to have a target audience for people with a mental age of about six years.

So do smurfs.

[Sheepy]

Tony Blair, took the 1998 mess left by the Tories and turned it round to a point where by its waiting lists were reduced to acceptable levels. Bed problems eased . All of this is well recorded, and easy to access. If you had someone down there wanting more , it does not reflect on the national situation  being as bad then as it was before or after Labour.  Even  before Covid, it was clear the Tories had managed to return the service back to 1998 levels. If they moan down there now it's justified. Because they have less in real terms to work with than they had back when Blair, was in the seat.
You can laugh mate, it makes me f—king cry.
Devolution has not given you full control over health, it merely charges you with handling a service with budget and other restraints coming from national policy.  Exactly as the SNP ,realise.

We don't need anyone to tell us who is pulling the strings at the SNP either good old, we have known for a while.