Cost of energy and the cost of living crisis.

[Nick]

We've got Our Lady of Good Counsel church in Bouverie Road to perform that task.

No need to worry the Swiss...

You better get to come up with some new energy source whilst she's at it. 

[patman post]

The Higgs Bosen is there but I don't believe it is the giver of energy, it's the giver of mass.

We've got Our Lady of Good Counsel church in Bouverie Road to perform that task. 

No need to worry the Swiss...

[Nick]

We've already got access to fusion — it mostly rises in the East and sets in the West a few hours later. The clever bit is collecting all that free energy that's available in the middle period and using it, or storing it in a way that it can be released without creating greenhouse gases and other pollution.

No doubt CERN's search for a Hogs Bison, will eventually bring dividends, but most research into useful energy sources appears to be taking place elsewhere.

There are plans (there may even be working examples) for battery storage in the UK electricity network...

The Higgs Bosen is there but I don't believe it is the giver of energy, it's the giver of mass. 

[patman post]

Pat is taking the urine. He knows that electricity needs to be generated via coal, gas, oil, whatever.

I reckon we should get practical nuclear fusion at some stage, although it will probably be the wrong colour and give the tree huggers hemorrhoids.

I am not so sure about the rest. Solar, wave and wind power need too much kit

We've already got access to fusion — it mostly rises in the East and sets in the West a few hours later. The clever bit is collecting all that free energy that's available in the middle period and using it, or storing it in a way that it can be released without creating greenhouse gases and other pollution. 

No doubt CERN's search for a Hogs Bison, will eventually bring dividends, but most research into useful energy sources appears to be taking place elsewhere. 

There are plans (there may even be working examples) for battery storage in the UK electricity network...

[Borchester]

What ever happened to that collider thingy in the Swiss alps that was suppose to either suck us all into a black hole or give us enough power to share around the world for peanuts ?  Seeing as we didn't all dissapear up our own rectums Im guesssing they are keeping it to themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYiNVRmOA4

Well, they were doing OK. Some folk in Oxford generated enough energy to boil 60 kettles, which is a start. But that was in February and the whole business got blow off the front page by Putin's invasion of the Ukraine and the Tory party leadership elections. But research is expected to start again in September when Boris is re elected

[patman post]

1. That time may well come if we build nuclear power stations and get them up and running.

2. Great idea, except 53% of your electricity at this moment is coming from gas and coal.

I'm still to be convinced that green/free/non-polluting energy is as impossible as a perpetual motion machine. 

My hope is that, like the cure for stomach ulcers, it's just a small but significant discovery away....

[patman post]

You  are either stupidly buying into, or yourself  wilfully and knowingly propagating, the idiotic myth of Daily Mail land that the left hanker after a Cuban style dictatorship. What most of us actually aspire to is something akin to the Nordic Model and we believe in democracy and democratic accountability.

We might have a more reasonable debate if you stopped lying about us.

No — I'm taking note of what happens when Socialist extremists believe they're totally correct and, like all totalitarian states, embark on forcing the general population to adhere to their views. There's not a Rizla paper's difference between Ultra Right and Extreme Left in such instances.

My other half is Norwegian, and I've lived and worked in Sweden, so I have an affection for the Nordic model, but in Scandinavia it has been arrived at by consensus, and not by dogmatic imposition...

[Sheepy]

You  are either stupidly buying into, or yourself  wilfully and knowingly propagating, the idiotic myth of Daily Mail land that the left hanker after a Cuban style dictatorship. What most of us actually aspire to is something akin to the Nordic Model and we believe in democracy and democratic accountability.

We might have a more reasonable debate if you stopped lying about us.

You can see why the Westminster party hate populists and we must be destroyed at all costs, because we are not only well educated in the ways of the Westminster party but also beat them hands down when it comes to IQ.

[Barry]

I can follow most of that.

1. But are you claiming there will never come a time when nuclear, solar, wave, wind will provide enough constant electrical energy to produce/separate hydrogen in enough quantities to be economic and useful...?


2, PS — maybe we should ditch the idea of gas, and go completely electric...

1. That time may well come if we build nuclear power stations and get them up and running.

2. Great idea, except 53% of your electricity at this moment is coming from gas and coal.

[srb7677]

I don't believe there'll be Left UK government in my lifetime. The country is not ready for a Cuban-style dictatorship, based on the ideas of Marx, Engels, Trotsky and Lenin — however many state-funded handouts may be promised as inducements.

You  are either stupidly buying into, or yourself  wilfully and knowingly propagating, the idiotic myth of Daily Mail land that the left hanker after a Cuban style dictatorship. What most of us actually aspire to is something akin to the Nordic Model and we believe in democracy and democratic accountability.

We might have a more reasonable debate if you stopped lying about us.

[Streetwalker]

Pat is taking the urine. He knows that electricity needs to be generated via coal, gas, oil, whatever.

I reckon we should get practical nuclear fusion at some stage, although it will probably be the wrong colour and give the tree huggers hemorrhoids.

I am not so sure about the rest. Solar, wave and wind power need too much kit

What ever happened to that collider thingy in the Swiss alps that was suppose to either suck us all into a black hole or give us enough power to share around the world for peanuts ?  Seeing as we didn't all dissapear up our own rectums Im guesssing they are keeping it to themselves 

[Borchester]

I can follow most of that.

But are you claiming there will never come a time when nuclear, solar, wave, wind will provide enough constant electrical energy to produce/separate hydrogen in enough quantities to be economic and useful...?


PS — maybe we should ditch the idea of gas, and go completely electric...

Pat is taking the urine. He knows that electricity needs to be generated via coal, gas, oil, whatever.

I reckon we should get practical nuclear fusion at some stage, although it will probably be the wrong colour and give the tree huggers hemorrhoids.

I am not so sure about the rest. Solar, wave and wind power need too much kit

[patman post]

The answer to that lies in the science and conservation of energy. There are no hydrogen mines or wells. It has to be split from water and the energy to create the hydrogen will be greater than that released when it is burnt. There is also steam-methane production which also requires oodles of energy.
The question is, where is the energy going to be sourced to create the hydrogen? There is already a deficit looming.

So, NO.

I can follow most of that.

But are you claiming there will never come a time when nuclear, solar, wave, wind will provide enough constant electrical energy to produce/separate hydrogen in enough quantities to be economic and useful...?


PS — maybe we should ditch the idea of gas, and go completely electric...

[johnofgwent]

The answer to that lies in the science and conservation of energy. There are no hydrogen mines or wells. It has to be split from water and the energy to create the hydrogen will be greater than that released when it is burnt. There is also steam-methane production which also requires oodles of energy.
The question is, where is the energy going to be sourced to create the hydrogen? There is already a deficit looming.

So, NO.

I can produce it in small amounts right now using my solar panel, the brackish estuarial water and some carbon electrodes.

All we need are solar or wind power arrays next to a derelict power station that uses the sea as a coolant source.....

Honda of the UK manufacturing has been making the stuff since 2010 at Swindon 

[johnofgwent]

Just remembered too wasn't it Richard Marsh who told us the gas would be practically free

I don't really remember that far back

When did Benn say electricity would be "too cheap to meter"