The EU SNP and much else

[Thomas]

I voted tactically and I voted Alba. I have never voted Green. At the moment they are pro Independence. But, remember, not that long ago, under Robin Harper's leadership the party was pro Union. What happens with them in the future is anyone's guess. Independence is not their main priority. There is no doubt where Salmond's heart lies. Those of us who left the SNP did so mainly because of the lack of action from Sturgeon et al. 7 years and counting and we are nowhere near Indyref2. She just doesn't seem to care

hey moray did you see this?

How it started....




how its going.......



Does make you wonder what campbell martin keeps saying about certain individuals in the snp today. 7 fackin years , not a foot forward  , promise after broken promise.

[Thomas]

There are a lot of Brexiteers who do live by old glories.

you do make me laugh boycey.

You sit on here mocking brexiters for "living by old glories" .

Brexiters at least go out en masse and vote at election for what they want.

You tell us with great conviction how one way or the other you will get your european passport back , and the next  , cant tell us how you will do it  , or who you will vote for to do it , and then reveal you arent even registered to vote.



I always say mate thats the difference between idealistic left wing fantasists like yourself and those on the right. Lefties talk a good game down the pub , tub thumping about the poor  , evil tories and revolutions over their shandy , while the right are down the polling booths voting brexit.

Member mate idealistic fantasy versus reality?

here mate , takes 5 minutes. Im sure  sir keir will be glad of your vote , and his branch manager anas the millionaire  champagne socialist sarwar.

https://www.mygov.scot/register-to-vote-scotland/register-to-vote-online

[Thomas]

This is a strawman. What the EU does has nothing to do with Brexit. The whole point of an EU army is so the EU can protect itself without US influence. If Russia is seen as threat, whether the threat is real or not, only increases the likelihood of integration.

you dont half talk rubbish. 

This sounds like another remain fantasy that is an extension of the "eu keeping peace in europe since the war"

Im glad though you keep talking about the likelyhood of further european integration. Anyone wavering over brexit can see where we are headed if labour get their way and we are forced to rejoin.

[B0ycey]

I voted tactically and I voted Alba. I have never voted Green. At the moment they are pro Independence. But, remember, not that long ago, under Robin Harper's leadership the party was pro Union. What happens with them in the future is anyone's guess. Independence is not their main priority. There is no doubt where Salmond's heart lies. Those of us who left the SNP did so mainly because of the lack of action from Sturgeon et al. 7 years and counting and we are nowhere near Indyref2. She just doesn't seem to care

Well I agree there is no doubt where Salmonds heart lies, and I agree the Greens stance on independence does stink of opportunitism. But Salmonds character, rightly or wrongly, prevented people from casting their vote to Alba and I see that never changing. You also have to consider that not everyone wants to vote tactically. Some people just want the SNP in Holyrood and are not interested in a super majority. But in any case, I think Sturgeon will surprise you. She is all about getting independence legally and I suspect we will be hearing more about independence when her mug isn't on TV everyday talking about Covid.

[morayloon]

I guess what I am saying is when Salmond announced Alba, there wasn't any confusion to what its purpose was. Everyone understood what he was trying to do unless they were living under a rock. And the Green capitalised on that not Alba. But sure it is true people casted SNP vote one and two. But not everyone cares about a super majority. Some people just like the SNP running Holyrood and won't vote for anyone else. But we can analysis the election any way you like. I see no future for Alba and anyone who votes tactically will just vote for the Greens it seems.

I voted tactically and I voted Alba. I have never voted Green. At the moment they are pro Independence. But, remember, not that long ago, under Robin Harper's leadership the party was pro Union. What happens with them in the future is anyone's guess. Independence is not their main priority. There is no doubt where Salmond's heart lies. Those of us who left the SNP did so mainly because of the lack of action from Sturgeon et al. 7 years and counting and we are nowhere near Indyref2. She just doesn't seem to care 

[B0ycey]

Don't agree about Salmond's message. If he successfully got across that people should vote SNP then Alba on the list, many, many Independence supporting MSPs would have been elected. The Greens only managed 2 more MSPs than in 2016. The fact is that most SNP supporters followed the SNP 1 & 2 diktat: 1,291,204 in the constituencies; 1.094,374 in the list. That is, a difference of only 196,830.

I guess what I am saying is when Salmond announced Alba, there wasn't any confusion to what its purpose was. Everyone understood what he was trying to do unless they were living under a rock. And the Green capitalised on that not Alba. But sure it is true people casted SNP vote one and two. But not everyone cares about a super majority. Some people just like the SNP running Holyrood and won't vote for anyone else. But we can analysis the election any way you like. I see no future for Alba and anyone who votes tactically will just vote for the Greens it seems.

[morayloon]

I don't think Salmond will ever be significant @morayloon. I know Thomas isn't exactly Sturgeons biggest fan, but from my standpoint Salmond did get his message across about super majority which gave the Greens more MSPs. I don't know what game Thomas is playing at with flipping his opinion on Brexit like a fart in the wind but I'm glad to read your post and I agree, Scotland should focus their attention on the EU given their opinion was ignored.

Don't agree about Salmond's message. If he successfully got across that people should vote SNP then Alba on the list, many, many Independence supporting MSPs would have been elected. The Greens only managed 2 more MSPs than in 2016. The fact is that most SNP supporters followed the SNP 1 & 2 diktat: 1,291,204 in the constituencies; 1.094,374 in the list. That is, a difference of only 196,830. 

[cromwell]

But for the moment we are stuck outside an organisation we voted to remain in - because of xenophobic English Brexiteers

Says the xenophobic Scotsman who wants to leave the union.

[morayloon]

Except you have the choice to leave the UK and go back in the eu if you get the majority.

But for the moment we are stuck outside an organisation we voted to remain in - because of xenophobic English Brexiteers

[B0ycey]

Do they? well I see an empire gone,no spitfires or the like,I appreciate our history but don't want to live it.

Meanwhile you envisage a brussels empire and witter on about a French politician long dismissed by his own people bus adverts and brino and you think we live a fantasy. 

I don't envisage anything. I am just telling you the pieces are moving. And what the EU becomes, whether that is the form that Macron wants or something else, the UK will have no say on that. When I write these things, I am not aiming my words at you. I can see you are happy with the UK losing standing. But that isn't the case for everyone. There are a lot of Brexiteers who do live by old glories. And ultimately they can expect us to just be a bitch.

[B0ycey]

the russian risk now?

Fackin hell , the full remain repertoire is being trotted out today.



What do you fink boycey? Was cromwell brainwashed into voting leave by the dastardly thomas "vasily " mactavish , and brexit is all one big russian plot to take over the world?

You could be on to something boycey . I tell you , i have had my suspicions about cromwell , sheepy and streetwalker for some time now.

Borchester is quite obviously a 21 year old russian from sochi posing as a 70 year old cockney sparra.

Im off mate. Seriously. You and your fellow remainers are fackin ill.

This is a strawman. What the EU does has nothing to do with Brexit. The whole point of an EU army is so the EU can protect itself without US influence. If Russia is seen as threat, whether the threat is real or not, only increases the likelihood of integration. 

[cromwell]

To be honest Thomas, Cromwell has made it clear he isn't interested in an EU superstate. So I'm not selling him anything. I am just pointing out that if Macron gets his way, the EU will become a superstate whether the UK wants them to be or not. And then the UK will have no influence in Europe let alone the world or a voice in the EU. Some people care about that. Some Brexiteers really do live in the glory years.

Do they? well I see an empire gone,no spitfires or the like,I appreciate our history but don't want to live it.

Meanwhile you envisage a brussels empire and witter on about a French politician long dismissed by his own people bus adverts and brino and you think we live a fantasy.  

[Thomas]

But I do see more integration if anything to counter the Russian risk.

the russian risk now?

Fackin hell , the full remain repertoire is being trotted out today.



What do you fink boycey? Was cromwell brainwashed into voting leave by the dastardly thomas "vasily " mactavish , and brexit is all one big russian plot to take over the world?

You could be on to something boycey . I tell you , i have had my suspicions about cromwell , sheepy and streetwalker for some time now.

Borchester is quite obviously a 21 year old russian from sochi posing as a 70 year old cockney sparra.

Im off mate. Seriously. You and your fellow remainers are fackin ill.

[Thomas]

No, it means just that Thomas. I moved to Scotland one month before lockdown and doing the house up and getting a job I have not found time to register. And I don't think I will.

aye ok boycey.

[B0ycey]

ah right. The unstoppable tide of european integration in one big boycey communist lefty state.

Europeans are more Socialist in nature Thomas. But as I said, what the EU becomes will have nothing to do with me. Each nation has a veto. But I do see more integration if anything to counter the Russian risk.