What is really happening in the Ukraine Conflict?

[Scott777]

Like a Nazi Jew, then? Is that a common thing?

No, a Jewish Nazi supporter.  Modern Nazism doesn't have to be all about killing Jews.

[Scott777]

That is nonsense.

You keep telling yourself that, while I'll look at the evidence.  Enjoy. 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H9vBZtqIiS8

[BeElBeeBub]

Which is true.  Any intelligent person knew that it's all about NATO expansion.  And Zelensky is a Nazi supporter, if not a Nazi himself.

Any intelligent person knows that's a crock of shite 

Unlike the Russian federation, you aren't forced to join NATO and you have to ask and then NATO has to unanimously accept 

The former eastern block countries asked to join because they were (rightly as it turned out) worried about Russian aggression. Hell, Putin wanted Russia join NATO when he first came to power.

Sweden and Finland were neutral prior to 2022 but have since joined specifically because of Russian aggression.

Ukraine was blocked from becoming a NATO. Member since it became independent and formally abandoned any attempt to join in 2010 declaring itself neutral. It only restarted it's efforts in 2018 after the crime an invasion and only formally applied on late 2022 after the full scale invasion. 

The main reason NATO expands is because people are scared of Russian invasion. 

As for Zelensky being a Nazi... Really.?  The jew whose first language is Russian is a Nazi?

Meanwhile the Russians have these guys fighting for them.... 

[Barry]

Which is true.  Any intelligent person knew that it's all about NATO expansion.  And Zelensky is a Nazi supporter, if not a Nazi himself.

Like a Nazi Jew, then? Is that a common thing?

[papasmurf]

.  And Zelensky is a Nazi supporter, if not a Nazi himself.

That is nonsense.

[Unlucky4Sum]

Which is true.  Any intelligent person knew that it's all about NATO expansion.  And Zelensky is a Nazi supporter, if not a Nazi himself.

Poppycock ^


NATO has never expanded into a country that didn't want to be a member of NATO.  Russia however  . . . . .

[Scott777]

he can say it proves that Ukraine was set to launch a Nazi led invasion of Russia.

Which is true.  Any intelligent person knew that it's all about NATO expansion.  And Zelensky is a Nazi supporter, if not a Nazi himself.

[Unlucky4Sum]

But Russia has that massive industrial base and all that revenue China, India and others are shovelling to them.  The Kursk incursion will actually help Putin recruit more cannon fodder because he can say it proves that Ukraine was set to launch a Nazi led invasion of Russia.

This is a very questionable move by Ukraine, IMHO a dumb one.

[BeElBeeBub]

Sorry that is delusional nonsense. What major settlement are you talking abou The Kursk salient reaches nowhere near anything vital. Its an artillery pocket where the best of the Ukraine's equipment is being whittled away, but by bit.

The territory they are losing all along the Donetsk front is far more extensive and infinitely more valuable.
Our media has been in full hysteria mode and publishing broadcasting utter bollocks for years. Its straight out of 1984 and the scariest part is that many like yourself, fall for it hook line and sinker.

The reality is there on the ground to see for anyone how simply has the wit to find it. The Ukrainian defensive lines have all but totally collapsed in many sections and starting to collapse on many others. The Russian advance is picking up speed and towns that once would have taken months to capture and falling in a matter of days.

A lot of none western countries were working very hard to get a peace deal earlier this summer. The Kursk invasion was a slap in their faces and they are really angry with Ukraine. Many of these were asking Russia for restraint before.  Its a fair guess that this is no longer the case.

So this is all going to Putin's master plan?

Come on, this 3 day special operation had dragged out over 2 years. He's lost vast amounts of men and equipment, foreign troops are on Russian soil and even Moscow is being attacked. 

He thought this was going to be a re-run of 2014 but bigger and it's turned into Afghanistan and Vietnam rolled together in some WW1

Sure they are making gains essentially around one area, Pokrovsk but still at vast expense. The defensive line is being errided but it isn't crumbling - Kursk was an example of a defensive collapse 

As for Russian "restraint" - that's just a variation of "oh Russia hasn't sent their best troops yet" ie  bullshit.

What has Russia got left that it has restrained itself from using? It's already at near full stretch. It's consuming troops as fast as it can generate them. It's used every weapon in it's conventional arsenal against pretty much every target including civilians. 

Ukraine on the other hand has literally been restrained. What Russia desperately doesn't want is Ukraine's supporters to let them use the full range of their weapons.

I don't know is Ukraine will eventually prevail. Alot depends on the US election but I do know the myth of Russian power has been shattered and the Chinese know it too. 

[Sampanviking]

Thats a very pro Russian view.

Are you going to tell us that this is all part of Putin's master plan and that he's playing 5D chess?

Whether or not the Ukrainians have overextended in Kursk is an open question but things are not going well for Russia.

They have (despite having stopped the "border raid" just 48h after it began) lost hundreds of km2 and over 100 settlements. A major logistic route is now under Ukrainian fire and 3k troops are cutoff. Heavy drones are striking facilities in the suburbs of Moscow and oil storage depots are burning across the country.

More importantly Russia's red lines habe been shown (again) to be fiction. Remember when supplying M777 artillery was going to trigger nuclear war?

Maybe now would be a good time for major NATO exercises in the Baltic and Finland.

I wonder if NATO air defence based outside of Ukraine could shoot down missiles and drones over Ukraine. What would Russia do? Object to Poland firing missiles into Ukrainian airspace to shoot down the missiles Russia fired into Ukrainian airspace?

Sorry that is delusional nonsense. What major settlement are you talking abou The Kursk salient reaches nowhere near anything vital. Its an artillery pocket where the best of the Ukraine's equipment is being whittled away, but by bit.

The territory they are losing all along the Donetsk front is far more extensive and infinitely more valuable.
Our media has been in full hysteria mode and publishing broadcasting utter bollocks for years. Its straight out of 1984 and the scariest part is that many like yourself, fall for it hook line and sinker.

The reality is there on the ground to see for anyone how simply has the wit to find it. The Ukrainian defensive lines have all but totally collapsed in many sections and starting to collapse on many others. The Russian advance is picking up speed and towns that once would have taken months to capture and falling in a matter of days.

A lot of none western countries were working very hard to get a peace deal earlier this summer. The Kursk invasion was a slap in their faces and they are really angry with Ukraine. Many of these were asking Russia for restraint before.  Its a fair guess that this is no longer the case.

[BeElBeeBub]

Looks like Western Media and even the BBC are finally having to admit the reality

Russia pushes on key Ukraine city of Pokrovsk while Kyiv's Kursk incursion slows - BBC News

Kursk has stalled and in places the Ukrainians are even losing ground. Any phase 2, much discussed to happen to west of the Salient looks cancelled or very significantly delayed.

The reason for the failure of Kursk also gives strong proof as the reality of who is operating the NATO deep strike weapons. Kiev is claiming that not being govern "permission" to use them by Western Governments has made the Kursk front futile. But what do they mean by this? The Ukrainians have no problem sending in Western supplied armour and artillery "without permission" and have no problem using Western supplied long range drones to attack Russian Infrastructure deep inside the country "without permission" so what's the big deal with long rang rockets?
There is only one logical explanation, these systems are manned, operated and guided by NATO country regulars, who receive orders directly from their national senior officers in relation to targets agreed by NATO and the Ukraine.
The use of these weapons against undisputed Russian sovereign territory would be seen as a direct attack by NATO against the Russian Federation; a huge major escalation and one that would precipitate direct retaliation against NATO countries.

The Ukraine is now trapped in Kursk, in part by its own Hubris and in part by grim military reality. To withdraw would be a media debacle that the optic obsessed Zelenski and his backers would be unable to deal with, plus the assembled Russian forces now in the area could easily pursue the retreating Ukrainians across the border.

Clearly some forces accumulated in Sumy are being hastily returned to the Donbas, but its probably too little to late.

Russia in the Donbas has been improving its logistics, and over the last two day and have completely seized the main road that runs from Donetsk City, pass the Airport and straight on to the frontline. This is what they need to continue the push South and West to surround and isolate the city of Pokrovsk without having to do a frontal assault. They have now pushed way south of the road which means it is becoming less vulnerable to drines and and artillery by the minute.

Thats a very pro Russian view.

Are you going to tell us that this is all part of Putin's master plan and that he's playing 5D chess?

Whether or not the Ukrainians have overextended in Kursk is an open question but things are not going well for Russia.

They have (despite having stopped the "border raid" just 48h after it began) lost hundreds of km2 and over 100 settlements. A major logistic route is now under Ukrainian fire and 3k troops are cutoff. Heavy drones are striking facilities in the suburbs of Moscow and oil storage depots are burning across the country.

More importantly Russia's red lines habe been shown (again) to be fiction. Remember when supplying M777 artillery was going to trigger nuclear war? 

Maybe now would be a good time for major NATO exercises in the Baltic and Finland.

I wonder if NATO air defence based outside of Ukraine could shoot down missiles and drones over Ukraine. What would Russia do? Object to Poland firing missiles into Ukrainian airspace to shoot down the missiles Russia fired into Ukrainian airspace? 

[papasmurf]

The fog of war, the first casualty is the truth.

[Sampanviking]

Looks like Western Media and even the BBC are finally having to admit the reality

Russia pushes on key Ukraine city of Pokrovsk while Kyiv's Kursk incursion slows - BBC News

Kursk has stalled and in places the Ukrainians are even losing ground. Any phase 2, much discussed to happen to west of the Salient looks cancelled or very significantly delayed.

The reason for the failure of Kursk also gives strong proof as the reality of who is operating the NATO deep strike weapons. Kiev is claiming that not being govern "permission" to use them by Western Governments has made the Kursk front futile. But what do they mean by this? The Ukrainians have no problem sending in Western supplied armour and artillery "without permission" and have no problem using Western supplied long range drones to attack Russian Infrastructure deep inside the country "without permission" so what's the big deal with long rang rockets?
There is only one logical explanation, these systems are manned, operated and guided by NATO country regulars, who receive orders directly from their national senior officers in relation to targets agreed by NATO and the Ukraine.
The use of these weapons against undisputed Russian sovereign territory would be seen as a direct attack by NATO against the Russian Federation; a huge major escalation and one that would precipitate direct retaliation against NATO countries.

The Ukraine is now trapped in Kursk, in part by its own Hubris and in part by grim military reality. To withdraw would be a media debacle that the optic obsessed Zelenski and his backers would be unable to deal with, plus the assembled Russian forces now in the area could easily pursue the retreating Ukrainians across the border.

Clearly some forces accumulated in Sumy are being hastily returned to the Donbas, but its probably too little to late.

Russia in the Donbas has been improving its logistics, and over the last two day and have completely seized the main road that runs from Donetsk City, pass the Airport and straight on to the frontline. This is what they need to continue the push South and West to surround and isolate the city of Pokrovsk without having to do a frontal assault. They have now pushed way south of the road which means it is becoming less vulnerable to drines and and artillery by the minute.

[Scott777]

Debates about climate change from which angle? Questioning why the media is scared of a 22 year old that has no clue about how climate works? That kind of debate?

Hour long debates between multiple climate experts, for and against man-made climate change.  Someone such as Richard Lindzen.

[Borg Refinery]

They destroyed a supersonic missile carrier last year, so they hit their target sometimes, much to the dismay of the Russians who look shocked..