What is really happening in the Ukraine Conflict?

Started by Sampanviking, March 18, 2022, 01:00:53 AM

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cromwell

Russia has been going through the dregs of prisons with a promise of fight and you'll be freed.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

papasmurf

Quote from: Sampanviking on September 21, 2022, 11:15:39 AM

Russia has now announced a partial mobilisation of 300,000 reservists 
Because Ukraine has killed so many Russian troops?
Nemini parco qui vivit in orbe

Sampanviking

Well the Ukraine is now on what? its forth or fifth mobilisation now?
They have an army of about 600 000 - 700 000 under arms which a good proportion in the field
The Ukrainian state is receiving billions of dollars in financial assistance to keep the state afloat
The Ukrainian state is receiving billions of dollars worth of military hardware to equip its troops
It has NATO officers leading planning and logistic for Ukraine both in Ukraine and outside of its borders
NATO armies are training 10.000 of Ukrainian troops in NATO countries
NATO Recon and Intelligence are providing detailed, live intelligence to the Ukraine
Considerable numbers of NATO military personnel are fighting as "Volunteers" with the Ukrainian army

This combined NATO Ukrainian force has barely been sufficient to restrict and contain a Russian and allied force of about 250,000
Russia has now announced a partial mobilisation of 300,000 reservists - probably specialists to give full fire support to the separate new volunteers and Wagner recruits.
I think even the further addition of another 100,000 Russian army will tip the balance back.
I suspect Kharkov will be the first target in this to string the Ukrainians out and because the Russians will want those supply roads re-opened again.

Maybe other groups will also move to the northern end of the Russo-Ukrainian border to further stretch Kiev's forces.
 
To those currently hiding under their beds in fear of imminent nuclear attack, you can come out

Numerous talking heads over the last few weeks have been suggesting that Russia might use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine itself.
This was I believe, Putin's rebuff to them by saying, no Russia would not use tactical nukes in its own back yard against people it regards as its own, but would use longer ones against its real enemies abroad. Maybe some on the total nutters in Washington and London may have been dreaming of a radiological false flag in the Ukraine somewhere and this was his warning back?


srb7677

Quote from: papasmurf on September 21, 2022, 10:52:27 AM
Given the first response to any nuke he lobs at the West or Ukraine will be a nuke dropped on his head I don't think even Putin is that mad or stupid.
Let's hope not.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

papasmurf

Quote from: Barry on September 21, 2022, 10:49:06 AM
He was bluffing last time despite the no fly zone over arctic islands. I don't deny he is dangerous, but go nuclear? We'll see.
Given the first response to any nuke he lobs at the West or Ukraine will be a nuke dropped on his head I don't think even Putin is that mad or stupid.
Nemini parco qui vivit in orbe

Barry

Quote from: srb7677 on September 21, 2022, 09:27:54 AM
Well Putin is threatening nuclear war again and insists he isn't bluffing.

The guy is a dangerous despot.
He was bluffing last time despite the no fly zone over arctic islands. I don't deny he is dangerous, but go nuclear? We'll see. 
† The end is nigh †

Good old

Quote from: cromwell on September 21, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
Well tosspot would be more accurate.
More accurate maybe but still wide of the mark. 

cromwell

Quote from: srb7677 on September 21, 2022, 09:27:54 AM
Well Putin is threatening nuclear war again and insists he isn't bluffing.

The guy is a dangerous despot.
Well tosspot would be more accurate.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

srb7677

Well Putin is threatening nuclear war again and insists he isn't bluffing.

The guy is a dangerous despot.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

Sheepy

Quote from: Borchester on September 20, 2022, 08:58:25 PM
To Sam, Chemical weapons and torture is what makes Putin a hero.

At your age Borchester playing Russian roulette probably doesn't matter much. 
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Borchester

Quote from: Barry on September 20, 2022, 05:14:29 PM
Sounds like your own wishful thinking in support of our enemy, who uses chemical and radiological weapons to get rid of anyone that disagrees with him. He's a tyrant, SPV, not a hero.

To Sam, Chemical weapons and torture is what makes Putin a hero.
Algerie Francais !

Sampanviking

Quote from: Barry on September 20, 2022, 05:14:29 PM
Sounds like your own wishful thinking in support of our enemy, who uses chemical and radiological weapons to get rid of anyone that disagrees with him. He's a tyrant, SPV, not a hero.
Barry, the NATO backed clown of Kiev has been shelling the site of Europe's largest Nuclear Power Station every day for the last couple of months. Attempted Radiological Genocide of the areas which are ethnically Russian within the Ukraine is hardly my definition of heroic.

Barry

Quote from: Sampanviking on September 20, 2022, 04:42:56 PM

I strongly suspect any actual message to Putin was "stop pussy footing and get it sorted asap". Which for the avoidance of doubt means Get and on and do whatever you need to do to get it finished and stop dragging it out.
Sounds like your own wishful thinking in support of our enemy, who uses chemical and radiological weapons to get rid of anyone that disagrees with him. He's a tyrant, SPV, not a hero.
† The end is nigh †

Sampanviking

Quote from: Barry on September 20, 2022, 04:31:50 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/16/putin-tells-modi-he-wants-ukraine-war-to-end-as-soon-as-possible

https://www.ft.com/content/48301890-c8b2-4ed9-b977-b28d52d51f02

Neocon wet dream? No, it's the truth.
The FT has become the Neocon daily and so opinion from an analyst is just that and far from any form of objectivity.

As for Al Jazeera - you have both sides saying that they would prefer a quick return to peace and a diplomatic solution. Hardly a surprise as you never see anyone calling for more war (except for Brandon).

Sorry Barry - its two none stories trying to spin what was a very bad summit from the Western perspective.

I strongly suspect any actual message to Putin was "stop pussy footing and get it sorted asap". Which for the avoidance of doubt means Get and on and do whatever you need to do to get it finished and stop dragging it out.