What is really happening in the Ukraine Conflict?

[Sampanviking]

Good old MSM reporting yesterdays new tomorrow

The river assault over the Donets river has been well scrutinised over the last few days and the few drone shots and bits of footage are an excellent example of pro Ukraine propaganda at its best.

Point 1 There were up to four crossing points along the section of river  in question.

Point 2 the battle at the river has lasted for weeks and started with an Armour and artillery duel across the river.

Point 3 this was a major combined operation involving not just Armour but also aviation and long range artillery

Point 4 There are wrecks on both sides of the river and its difficult to say which wreck on the Southern bank belongs to which army

Point 5 Look closely at the pictures, many of the vehicles shown are undamaged and neatly parked off the road.

Point 6 - There is only a few seconds of drone footage taken on whatever day of the operation and no footage showing Ukrainian forces in control of the battlefield, which means that Russia has stormed the river and now controls it.

In short, yes a vicious battle crossed in places that the Ukraine could anticipate and which the Russian command would well aware were anticipated and able to plan effective counter battery fire.
A major physical hurdle in the form of the Donets river has now been overcome in multiple locations and fighting is now in the nearby towns south of Severdonetsk and Lyshanks.
Even the photos the Ukrainians released showed a bridge still usable by the Amphibious capable Armour. You can bet its been repaired since for heavy Armour and general vehicles to use.
The other three pontoon points seem to be have operated without disruption.

[Nick]

Here is your "most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet", pushing a narrative which was not based on evidence or research, but nothing more than a tin-foil hat theory.

"The current coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives, likely originated in the Wuhan seafood market."
"After an initial cluster of cases connected to the market, the virus began..."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52125309

Sorry Scott, you seemed to have misunderstood the topic matter, any links?

[Streetwalker]

It's an important discussion about the reliability of the BBC and their news on Ukraine.  There was no evidence that Covid came from animals at a market, it was pure theory, no more true than the 'conspiracy theories' that get shouted down.  Does that sound like Nick's "the most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet."?

OK but you picked the wrong subject . Every news outlet on the planet was in line that the Wuhan market was the origin of the outbreak at that time . As I said at least the BBC added 'likely ' to their report 

Yes they have been caught out a few times in attempt to get their own left wing views over rather than reporting but what reason would they have to missrepresent what is happening in Ukraine ?
The events in Ukraine are being widely reported across the world  and to varying degrees all report the same thing ,that Russia is committing war crimes .

 Ukraine: Apparent War Crimes in Russia-Controlled Areas | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)

[Scott777]

At the time that was the best evidence availiable ,'likely' being the key word . Its still 'likely' to have been the case that the Wuhan Market was the main transmitter even if the origin is in doubt .

It's an important discussion about the reliability of the BBC and their news on Ukraine.  There was no evidence that Covid came from animals at a market, it was pure theory, no more true than the 'conspiracy theories' that get shouted down.  Does that sound like Nick's "the most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet."?

[Scott777]

the most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet.

BBC actress Marina Hayter, pretending to be a genuine unbiased voter, wearing a dog collar, using a fake name (Lynn):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf1Fv5L51pU

[Streetwalker]

Here is your "most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet", pushing a narrative which was not based on evidence or research, but nothing more than a tin-foil hat theory.

"The current coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives, likely originated in the Wuhan seafood market."
"After an initial cluster of cases connected to the market, the virus began..."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52125309

At the time that was the best evidence availiable ,'likely' being the key word . Its still 'likely' to have been the case that the Wuhan Market was the main transmitter even if the origin is in doubt . 

But lets not turn this into another virus thread eh , we have plenty of them for you to air your  conspiracies 

Meanwhile 
Ukraine forces thwart Russian armoured column crossing river | Reuters


Over 10,700 war crimes reported ,a 21 Year goes on trial today for shooting dead an unarmed pensioner 
Ukraine: ordinary Russian soldiers face war crimes charges but the big fish are likely to avoid punishment – here's why (theconversation.com)

[Scott777]

Here is your "most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet", pushing a narrative which was not based on evidence or research, but nothing more than a tin-foil hat theory.

"The current coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives, likely originated in the Wuhan seafood market."
"After an initial cluster of cases connected to the market, the virus began..."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52125309

"Most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet"  🤣

https://odysee.com/@JamesScott:1/bbc-using-crisis-actor-as-covid-patient:e

[Scott777]

but refuse to acknowledge the most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet.

Here is your "most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet", pushing a narrative which was not based on evidence or research, but nothing more than a tin-foil hat theory.

"The current coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives, likely originated in the Wuhan seafood market."
"After an initial cluster of cases connected to the market, the virus began..."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52125309

[Nick]

Yes, very reliable at propaganda.  I'm glad you pointed that out.  🤣

But in all seriousness, the lowest form of argument is name-calling.  It's a childish response.  Children have a habit of believing any old sh*t they are told.  BBC was among the fake news media who stated as matter of fact that the lurgy jumped from animals.  They were wrong, and that proves they cannot be trusted with facts.  But don't think too hard about that, in case your little child brain malfunctions.  😁

No links then?

[Scott777]

You've shown that you will follow any every tin pot conspiracy that is thrown up, but refuse to acknowledge the most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet.
Now that your Ovis friend seems to have Flocked off you're all alone in moonpie land. Rather than just disregarding linked stories, how bouts you start backing up your left of field conspiracies with a half decent link and not so dark web lunacy.

Yes, very reliable at propaganda.  I'm glad you pointed that out.  🤣

But in all seriousness, the lowest form of argument is name-calling.  It's a childish response.  Children have a habit of believing any old sh*t they are told.  BBC was among the fake news media who stated as matter of fact that the lurgy jumped from animals.  They were wrong, and that proves they cannot be trusted with facts.  But don't think too hard about that, in case your little child brain malfunctions.  😁

[Scott777]

has anyone else invaded Ukraine ?

Not really.  So how does that prove they were Russian?

[Nick]

Just remind me, how do we know they were Russian?

Just remind me, how do we know they were not Russian?


You've shown that you will follow any every tin pot conspiracy that is thrown up, but refuse to acknowledge the most stable and reliable news platforms on the planet. 
Now that your Ovis friend seems to have Flocked off you're all alone in moonpie land. Rather than just disregarding linked stories, how bouts you start backing up your left of field conspiracies with a half decent link and not so dark web lunacy. 

[patman post]

That is not true.
Palestinian gunmen shot the woman and are trying to blame Israel. Israel offered a joint investigation with the Palestinians, which was refused.

Your view of world events seems to be badly skewed, but we've always known that.
Admittedly, it gives us the enemy point of view.

Are we sure?

Israel's Defence Minister Benny Gantz conceded late Wednesday that it could have been "the Palestinians who shot her" or fire from "our side" — appearing to walk back Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's remarks that she was "likely" killed by stray Palestinian gunfire.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shireen-abu-akleh-israel-security-forces/

[Barry]

Oh by the way, the Israeli army shot a 51 woman through the head who was clearly marked as a Reporter.
Anyone bothered? Any outrage? any demands to sanction Israel? No? Didn't think so.

That is not true.
Palestinian gunmen shot the woman and are trying to blame Israel. Israel offered a joint investigation with the Palestinians, which was refused.

Your view of world events seems to be badly skewed, but we've always known that.
Admittedly, it gives us the enemy point of view.

[cromwell]

Hmmm dodgy footage from CNN channeling a dodgy light entertainment dominated Ukrainian government that knows that snuff movies can make them billions!

Finland? Just proves what the yanks have said for years, that Democracy is the best political system money can buy.

Any reason why suddenly the media is totally obsessed in a bit of footage purportedly shot nearly two months ago?
Maybe because its the day that the Ukrainian lines in the Donbas really started to buckle along a long front with Russians and LNR troops finally entering into Severdonetsk proper and other advances on other parts of the front, especially coming out of recently captured Popasnaya.

But hey according to CNN, Daily Mail, BBC et al, your all half way to Moscow

Oh by the way, the Israeli army shot a 51 woman through the head who was clearly marked as a Reporter.
Anyone bothered? Any outrage? any demands to sanction Israel? No? Didn't think so.

Well you think it dodgy but not when it's the other way round.