Starmer wants Carrie Johnson named if fined for parties

[B0ycey]

I don't have any hatred for Sir Stodge. I just think that he is a petty minded little man who is making a fuss over not very much because he can't manage anything better

Perhaps that is the problem Borkie. He can't manage any better. Partygate has been his ticket and on Ukraine he seems more inclined to side with the Tories on everything so where else can he go? But Starmer is a red Tory and so we shouldn't be surprised how he acts anyway. I have however been impressed with the Youth Labour the last few months so can see a future for the party when his leadership is up. I don't know. I guess what I am saying is Starmer is a politician and is acting like one but we can make the same argument for all the Tory MP opportunist out there as well. But that doesn't mean he is right on saying Carrie should be treated differently to the public only saying that he is an opportunist by doing so.

[Borchester]

I don't have the major hatred of Starmer on here like most other users Borkie so I will try and evaluate this fairly. The truth is Starmer is the opposition and being the opposition is a lot easier than being in power. There has never been a opposition leader in history that doesn't offer the kitchen sink when begging for votes and the bin most of their manifesto pledges when they finally get the keys to number ten. So in that sense I don't blame Starmer for asking for the goodies like furlough and whatnot given it is up to the government to make it clear why paying people to sit at home doing nothing is bad for the economy. And I am also not soft in thinking the PMs wife should be off limits given she is a public figure. We had this conversation a few months back when people were moaning that Carrie was a "victim of Sexism", when really she was just a headline story and nothing else. But saying that does not mean she should be treated any differently to anyone else. F itt is not the job of the police to publish names of people who are fined, then she doesn't have to declare whether she is fined or not. Saying otherwise is political opportunitism which should be carefully considered as Starmer was a Lawyer of justice. He shouldn't be calling for more than what the law requires even if it does gain him an extra vote or two. That's my opinion on it. But at the same time Johnson should have already resigned anyway given partying was happening under his roof whether he was part of it or not.

I don't have any hatred for Sir Stodge. I just think that he is a petty minded little man who is making a fuss over not very much because he can't manage anything better

[B0ycey]

I have spoken to various leftie friends and it is generally accepted that gentlemen do not harass the wives of their political opponents and that that Sir Stodge is acting like a mean spirited little c*nt. And what is worse for the Brothers and Sisters, he does not seem to realise that he is being a mean spirited little c*nt.

A couple of years back Boris paid half the country to sit on its arse because a few folk had a bit of a cough. The result has been a few very minor tax rises. How Plumpton managed that I do not know, but such a feat of financial legerdemain is clearly evidence that the Fat Controller knows how to handle the public finances

I don't have the major hatred of Starmer on here like most other users Borkie so I will try and evaluate this fairly. The truth is Starmer is the opposition and being the opposition is a lot easier than being in power. There has never been a opposition leader in history that doesn't offer the kitchen sink when begging for votes and then bins most of their manifesto pledges when they finally get the keys to number ten. So in that sense I don't blame Starmer for asking for the goodies like furlough and whatnot given it is up to the government to make it clear why paying people to sit at home doing nothing is bad for the economy. And I am also not soft in thinking the PMs wife should be off limits given she is a public figure. We had this conversation a few months back when people were moaning that Carrie was a "victim of Sexism", when really she was just a headline story and nothing else. But saying that does not mean she should be treated any differently to anyone else. Of it is not the job of the police to publish names of people who are fined, then she doesn't have to declare whether she is fined or not. Saying otherwise is political opportunitism which should be carefully considered as Starmer was a Lawyer of justice. He shouldn't be calling for more than what the law requires even if it does gain him an extra vote or two. That's my opinion on it. But at the same time Johnson should have already resigned anyway given partying was happening under his roof whether he was part of it or not.

[Borchester]

Carrie should be treated the same way as anyone else. I have never known people named for traffic fines, I don't see why she should be named today just because she is the PMs wife. I don't think the PM should be named by the police either as it happens. But at the same time given there is an investigation, Johnson should have already resigned anyway given he made the rules that he broke but whatever. I am also of the impression the Tories can expect a bad day in May and then Johnson should hand over power to Sunak. We are about to head towards a cost of living crisis and to be frank we need someone who understands difficult decisions and financial prudence not clown acts so that we don't see national debt and handouts given willy nilly meaning we will go defacto bankrupt by not being able to afford the interest on our borrowings with unsustainable debt. It seems subsidising Covid was a bit silly now given today seems a better time to loosen the purse strings. But people do like their free money and staying home.

I have spoken to various leftie friends and it is generally accepted that gentlemen do not harass the wives of their political opponents and that that Sir Stodge is acting like a mean spirited little C@@@. And what is worse for the Brothers and Sisters, he does not seem to realise that he is being a mean spirited little C@@@.

A couple of years back Boris paid half the country to sit on its arse because a few folk had a bit of a cough. The result has been a few very minor tax rises. How Plumpton managed that I do not know, but such a feat of financial legerdemain is clearly evidence that the Fat Controller knows how to handle the public finances

[B0ycey]

Carrie should be treated the same way as anyone else. I have never known people named for traffic fines, I don't see why she should be named today just because she is the PMs wife. I don't think the PM should be named by the police either as it happens. But at the same time given there is an investigation, Johnson should have already resigned anyway given he made the rules that he broke but whatever. I am also of the impression the Tories can expect a bad day in May and then Johnson should hand over power to Sunak. We are about to head towards a cost of living crisis and to be frank we need someone who understands difficult decisions and financial prudence not clown acts so that we don't see national debt and handouts given willy nilly meaning we will go defacto bankrupt by not being able to afford the interest on our borrowings with unsustainable debt. It seems subsidising Covid was a bit silly now given today seems a better time to loosen the purse strings. But people do like their free money and staying home. 

[Good old]

Names are already out there for , amongst others ,civil service ladies, that have had penalty notices. What makes Carrie, so different?  If she was involved ,she was involved. 
There is nothing new about the actions of PM s partners being called into public scrutiny . 
Cherie Blair, was never out of the flack. 

[Streetwalker]

Well it's all just another Carrie on taking the piss out of ordinary people all round isn't it?

I dont think it was . Ordinary people were given vauge instructions on what was required , ie ,stay indoors (unless you have to go out ) work from home (unless you cant ) ect . 

It followed that have a drink with your mates on zoom would also have a prefix of unless you cant .  I didnt really see the point of being able to sit in a canteen on a building site with 50 blokes shoulder to shoulder and then not be able to stand 6ft away from the same guys to have a beer  after work or have to mask up on the bus going home 

In the end it was really our own judgment and the vaccines that have brought some normality to our lives , not wether we didnt have  a few quiet drinks with our pals in the back garden 

[Borchester]

Well it's all just another Carrie on taking the piss out of ordinary people all round isn't it?

[T00ts]

Well it's all just another Carrie on taking the piss out of ordinary people all round isn't it?

Starmer reads the papers and sees that Carrie is getting a lot of flack. His little brain whizzes into gear and recognising that the females of the electorate are not easily swayed to the uncharismatic such as him, he tunes into the pink psyche and hopes to lure us by association. It won't work! It's true that we don't like Carrie's choices in wallpaper or men but we do recognise a bandwagon when we see one careering down Whitehall.

[cromwell]

Well it's all just another Carrie on taking the piss out of ordinary people all round isn't it?

[Streetwalker]

Ah, I've made a few connections and not declared them. Let me fill in the gaps. You are I presume aware of the several cases where ministers and backbenchers have required their other half take the hit for their motoring misdemeanours ?  Clearly then by fitting up Carrie as the party animal Boris stands accused in the labour eye of...

A) being guilty of partying like it's 2019 before the pox laws came in, and

B) fitting up Carrie for his sins

The womanfolk have their uses at such times .

I think Labour are barking up the wrong tree here though . Not quite sure what they think they would achieve if Carrie was outed as the one that brought the cake ,lit the candles and popped the corks . Would he really be guilty by association ?

Surprise ,surprise your nicked ?  Its not going to work is it ?

[johnofgwent]

If he is worried about people who think they are above the law he would get more success in making sure the socialist are kept away from the public purse because we all know what happens when they get hold of it .

Besides which I thought Carrie was in the Green Party

Ah, I've made a few connections and not declared them. Let me fill in the gaps. You are I presume aware of the several cases where ministers and backbenchers have required their other half take the hit for their motoring misdemeanours ?  Clearly then by fitting up Carrie as the party animal Boris stands accused in the labour eye of...

A) being guilty of partying like it's 2019 before the pox laws came in, and 

B) fitting up Carrie for his sins

[Streetwalker]

Given his former job, he should.

But the issue isn't really about precedent is it.

Its about him outing the Tory party as a group who think they are above the law.

If he is worried about people who think they are above the law he would get more success in making sure the socialist are kept away from the public purse because we all know what happens when they get hold of it .

Besides which I thought Carrie was in the Green Party 

[johnofgwent]

The blokes an ejit . He should know being the former DPP that the old Bill dont release the names , courts do
People who accept cautions and on the spot fines ect  without a court appearance are not named .

Given his former job, he should. 

But the issue isn't really about precedent is it.

Its about him outing the Tory party as a group who think they are above the law.

[patman post]

I was relishing your longevity and ability to recall events you witnessed, not complaining that you did.

My education was almost entirely British derived — albeit primarily based on one 30 years previously, so possibly allied to your own...