Is Keir Starmer’s beergate story unravelling?

[Thomas]

Was Blair, ever convicted of anything?

Blair didnt have to be. He wasnt convicted ,but he should have been , and realists all know he never will face the music.

The point is  , just like his poor protege starmer , he doesnt have to be convicted for his name  , reputation and legacy to be mud in the world of politics.

That what we are saying about keir. The damage is done , without any conviction.

[Nick]

[highlight]Maybe you should[/highlight] , take note that the reasons for the pol gap between parties changing away from the Tories ,is self inflicted Tory ineptitude and then pose that question to yourself.

That's doesn't point to anything I said. 

[Good old]

Coalition 😂. We're two and half years minimum off a General Election, and if a hung parliament is so predictable (which it is right now), why would the Tories force one?

Maybe you should , take note that the reasons for the pol gap between parties changing away from the Tories ,is self inflicted Tory ineptitude and then pose that question to yourself. 

[Nick]

You ask what I am smoking, is that for comparison?  So every political leader wants Kier in place. Then why would the Tories draw attention to him in this way? When the outcome is going to be an own goal . Your understanding of every political leader  doesn't include Boris it seems. And let me remind you Thomas, it was poor likeable me who 12to 18 months back told you by this point in time we would be  on the way to a possible coalition, and here we are two years to go and the Tories slipping yard by yard,  and well on the way to coalition. They can only hope they will be in it.

Coalition 😂. We're two and half years minimum off a General Election, and if a hung parliament is so predictable (which it is right now), why would the Tories force one? 

[Good old]

The point is it doesnt matter if rules were  broken , the damage is done as we all know except you. Im cheering sir keir on to stay in place , just so you know.

The tories in panic? What are you smoking? Labour just had their second worst electoral result in local elections in scotland with no a tory in sight. I think every political leader in the yookay is cheering sir keir and angela on to remain in office. Everyone got what they wanted out of beergate , we dont want to lose starmer.
No they arent. I think labours continued implosion is brilliant. We need to be measured though , we dont want to cause them too much damage at an inapropriate time.

You ask what I am smoking, is that for comparison?  So every political leader wants Kier in place. Then why would the Tories draw attention to him in this way? When the outcome is going to be an own goal . Your understanding of every political leader  doesn't include Boris it seems. And let me remind you Thomas, it was poor likeable me who 12to 18 months back told you by this point in time we would be  on the way to a possible coalition, and here we are two years to go and the Tories slipping yard by yard,  and well on the way to coalition. They can only hope they will be in it.

[Good old]

And like I said, are you going to call for BLIAR to be jailed?
Boris didn't offer to go, Starmer did. His bad.

Was Blair, ever convicted of anything? Anyway It really doesn't matter. If  he escaped anything , that has no baring on the future maintenance of basic standards in the lands highest office. The office of PM  did not start or end with Blair. Even if you were right regarding Blair, your  argument can only be considered one for a decline in standards on the basis of precedent . If so where do we go from here?

[Thomas]

And like I said, are you going to call for BLIAR to be jailed?
Boris didn't offer to go, Starmer did. His bad.

i like good old. He brings a lot of fun and cheer to the forum , and i hope he continues to post endlesly.

...but this politics lark is quite simply beyond him i have to say nick.

[Thomas]

It's not at all clear yet if any rules were broken. And for 5 months the police were quiet happy . So the the Tories in panic ,quiet frankly draw attention to Kier, but at what actual cost. If this is about ,look how we are all tarnished .
Yes success . If it's about who should resign, they have put themselves on a plate. And it looks If Starmer falls he wins, because whatever the outcome , party gate is in its early stages as to its full exposure. It rather looks, that if the country wants principle, Starmer , will give it , one way or the other. If it wants lies deception then carry on voting for it with the Tory party. These are sad days , if there can be any confusion over this.

The point is it doesnt matter if rules were  broken , the damage is done as we all know except you. Im cheering sir keir on to stay in place , just so you know.

The tories in panic? What are you smoking? Labour just had their second worst electoral result in local elections in scotland with no a tory in sight. I think every political leader in the yookay is cheering sir keir and angela on to remain in office. Everyone got what they wanted out of beergate , we dont want to lose starmer.

These are sad days

No they arent. I think labours continued implosion is brilliant. We need to be measured though , we dont want to cause them too much damage at an inapropriate time.

[Good old]

good old , come on , we want keir to stay . Whats gives you the idea the tories , snp or anyone else wants dozy keir to resign?

Beergate has served its purpose  , and made a mockery of labour and its leadership.

You talk of principles, but one of beergates clear lessons is that there is as much honour truth and integrity in the labour leadership as there is the tories. Its just the tories are a bit more quick witted about things.

Honestly imagine spending 5 months making a fuss about prosecco and cake and then getting caught out doing the same thing.?

poor auld keir , modern politics foremost expert in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

It's not at all clear yet if any rules were broken. And for 5 months the police were quiet happy . So the the Tories in panic ,quiet frankly draw attention to Kier, but at what actual cost. If this is about ,look how we are all tarnished .
Yes success . If it's about who should resign, they have put themselves on a plate. And it looks If Starmer falls he wins, because whatever the outcome , party gate is in its early stages as to its full exposure. It rather looks, that if the country wants principle, Starmer , will give it , one way or the other. If it wants lies deception then carry on voting for it with the Tory party. These are sad days , if there can be any confusion over this.

[Nick]

Which would be fine if Good old , couldn't  want  it both ways. My whole point , and is the only point , is that if Starmer should resign, on this issue. Then Johnson, and some of his crew. Should already be gone. Which for principled people was always the case, and a clear example as to why I should have it both ways  .

And like I said, are you going to call for BLIAR to be jailed?
Boris didn't offer to go, Starmer did. His bad. 

[Thomas]

Which would be fine if Good old , couldn't  want  it both ways. My whole point , and is the only point , is that if Starmer should resign, on this issue. Then Johnson, and some of his crew. Should already be gone. Which for principled people was always the case, and a clear example as to why I should have it both ways  .

good old , come on , we want keir to stay . Whats gives you the idea the tories , snp or anyone else wants dozy keir to resign?

Beergate has served its purpose  , and made a mockery of labour and its leadership.

You talk of principles, but one of beergates clear lessons is that there is as much honour truth and integrity in the labour leadership as there is the tories. Its just the tories are a bit more quick witted about things.

Honestly imagine spending 5 months making a fuss about prosecco and cake and then getting caught out doing the same thing.?

poor auld keir , modern politics foremost expert in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Good old]

Hence the reason I said Good Old can't have it both ways.

Which would be fine if Good old , couldn't  want  it both ways. My whole point , and is the only point , is that if Starmer should resign, on this issue. Then Johnson, and some of his crew. Should already be gone. Which for principled people was always the case, and a clear example as to why I should have it both ways  .

[Nick]

They both broke the rules.
Thereby taking the piss out of ordinary people.

Hence the reason I said Good Old can't have it both ways. 

[Thomas]

They both broke the rules.
Thereby taking the piss out of ordinary people.

Totally agree cromwell. What sort of an utter cant speands five months attacking his opposite number over cake and party while being caught out doing the same?

Questions have to be asked not just about the cluelessness of keir starmer and angela rayner , but the team they have in place around them .

We dont obviously expect labour to win the next general election , england is the natural home for the english conservative party after all. We do though expect them to put up a bit of resistance.

[Thomas]

Well just fine him and other attendees  and its 1-1 as far as Im concerned . As with Boris I can't get too hot and bothered over an error of the covid rules which nobody seemed to know anyway regarding where the line was between working and socialising

That Hindsight Starmer had made such a song and dance over Boris having a bit of cake though does make him look a bit of a dipstick but we knew that anyway .

I bet it wasnt even a proper curry ,can't see Kier eating a vindaloo or a Phal , Ive got him down as a Passanda man , and the bottle of beer is too small to be a Cobra as well ,bloke doesnt know his culinary pairing , hows he supposed to run the country ?

totally agree. Fine him and leave it at that.

Who the fack in their right mind , that isnt a blairite labour supporter , wants keir starmer and angela to resign?