Starmer cries wolf?

[Thomas]

right must jog. theres oly so much laughing you can do at the labour party in one day. work calls.

[Thomas]

It seems from people who know more about this than me that he has made sure he has no chance of getting a fine before saying he will resign if he gets one .

Personally I think adding Peverting the course of justice  should be added to the charge sheet

i agree.

Hope he doesnt resign , and wether or not he is fined , or the criminality of it , doesnt interest me but the poor politics behind this does. Boris poor performance in the local elections  , which starmer should have been crowing about , has been overshadoed by labours poor performance and now this , which is obliterating all else.

Complete fool of a man and party. Thats labour party , not the party in durham of course.

We are on a cycle of despair and sliding down the pan and the labour party and the tories are taking us there as fast as they can.

politics has suddenly got interesting again dont you think after such a boring period.

From this forums perspective ,the only thing im worried about is the anglo lefty boys like javert quackers and good old to name but a few are now even more scared to put in an appearance and deabte while sir keir keep blowing his feet off with such regualrity. they need a hero to take them in from the cold , but alas , sir keir isnt it.

[Streetwalker]

David milliband? Another non entity from labours past like johns smith canonised for doing nothing.

It never occurs to certain people that its uk politics , its development away from the old two party certainties and the labour party itself rather than hero worshipped figures with a record for glorious failure thats the probelm.

Every time labour have a dud leader , and we have all generally agreed except good old that starmer is a dud , smith and milliband get dragged up. It becomes so predictable doesnt it?

Lack of thinking outside the box , and dredging up politics of yesteryear is part of labours problem. Tony blair clones arent the answer for labour. You can't tell people though .

It seems from people who know more about this than me that he has made sure he has no chance of getting a fine before saying he will resign if he gets one .

Personally I think adding Peverting the course of justice  should be added to the charge sheet 

[Thomas]

D Milliband is another loony tune from Labours past , the unions prefering to back the brother who couldn't even eat a bacon sandwich without making a mess of it .
Having said that labour does need rescuing

David milliband? Another non entity from labours past like johns smith canonised for doing nothing.

It never occurs to certain people that its uk politics , its development away from the old two party certainties and the labour party itself rather than hero worshipped figures with a record for glorious failure thats the probelm.

Every time labour have a dud leader , and we have all generally agreed except good old that starmer is a dud , smith and milliband get dragged up. It becomes so predictable doesnt it?

Lack of thinking outside the box , and dredging up politics of yesteryear is part of labours problem. Tony blair clones arent the answer for labour. You cant tell people though .

[Nick]

Hate to tell you this, but Blair was about as Socialist as Ayn Rand. He was just as much as a free marketer and nationaliser as his idol Thatcher. We haven't had a Labour PM for over 40 years. We are just an Island of Blue Tories in Westminster and Starmer is defacto Blair but without the Iraq  baggage I guess. So in that sense if he goes, he goes. But the difference is at least he knows when it is time to f**k off. Which is more than I can say about Johnson who is about as [highlight]liked in Europe as sandpaper toilet paper. [/highlight]

Nonetheless I noticed the real voices in Europe met today which is Scholz and Macron who were talking about sorting out the crisis in a civil way. Johnson seems more interested throwing money into a Blackhole during a cost of living crisis. God help us when the shit finally hits the fan.

Who cares what Europe think: something you just don't seem to grasp. 

[B0ycey]

What I'm most afraid of (and what I suppose Labour has been planning for a long time) is the return of Tony Blair. He will most likely plunge our island into a new era of socialism.

Hate to tell you this, but Blair was about as Socialist as Ayn Rand. He was just as much as a free marketer and nationaliser as his idol Thatcher. We haven't had a Labour PM for over 40 years. We are just an Island of Blue Tories in Westminster and Starmer is defacto Blair but without the Iraq  baggage I guess. So in that sense if he goes, he goes. But the difference is at least he knows when it is time to f**k off. Which is more than I can say about Johnson who is about as liked in Europe as sandpaper toilet paper.

Nonetheless I noticed the real voices in Europe met today which is Scholz and Macron who were talking about sorting out the crisis in a civil way. Johnson seems more interested throwing money into a Blackhole during a cost of living crisis. God help us when the shit finally hits the fan.

[Streetwalker]

Rescuing or putting down?

Yes , I was trying to work International rescue into it and it just didnt take off 

[Good old]

I think both sides are as bad as one another. Starmer is hoping he hasn't backed himself into a corner.

The Tories , have backed everyone into a corner, them selves, Starmer, the Labour Party, and British politics, and even the Police, forced to play a political roll in this manner.
Boris, has been in a corner for weeks, and this reflects that. He is in the mud, so he drags everyone in. Boris,s troubles don't end with Starmer , being found to have transgressed. They start.
We have not had the full Police report on all party gate  claims. We have not been allowed to see the much vaunted
Sue Gray report.  If Starmer goes , how will this help the Tories to continue to support any claim their man doesn't need to go? And the electorate being given an absolutely clear indication of what an honourable parliamentarian does when compromised in this manner.

[HallowedBrexit]

Not really. Starmer just knows that dignity is more important than vanity when it comes to this issue. He called for Johnson to go even before he was issued a fine. In principle Starmer should already have quit if he was consistent. But if the police conclude he has done nothing wrong he is exonerated and if he has a fine he puts party before his ego and quits putting more pressure on Johnson. There are better people in Labour than Starmer anyway and we can at least hope Long Bailey throws her name in the hat for the sakes of bringing respect back into politics. But in any case, at least Starmer has a backbone if he quits which is more than we can say about Johnson given he still hovers around like flies and shit despite everything.

What I'm most afraid of (and what I suppose Labour has been planning for a long time) is the return of Tony Blair. He will most likely plunge our island into a new era of socialism. 

[B0ycey]

I think both sides are as bad as one another. Starmer is hoping he hasn't backed himself into a corner.

Not really. Starmer just knows that dignity is more important than vanity when it comes to this issue. He called for Johnson to go even before he was issued a fine. In principle Starmer should already have quit if he was consistent. But if the police conclude he has done nothing wrong he is exonerated and if he has a fine he puts party before his ego and quits putting more pressure on Johnson. There are better people in Labour than Starmer anyway and we can at least hope Long Bailey throws her name in the hat for the sakes of bringing respect back into politics. But in any case, at least Starmer has a backbone if he quits which is more than we can say about Johnson given he still hovers around like flies and shit despite everything.

[T00ts]

Come on Toots, it hasn't entered your head it's the right thing to do?  What ever comes next will be.
The right thing is expected from the government. Instead we get it from the opposition.

I think both sides are as bad as one another. Starmer is hoping he hasn't backed himself into a corner.

[Good old]

So Starmer has vowed to resign if he is fined, and Angela Rainer plans to go too. Now I don't know of course but several things come to mind.

Does he realise that he hasn't a hope of dragging the Labour party across the House into Government as long as he lives?
Has he heard that Ed and David Milliband were canvassing together having kissed and made up as brothers do, and thinks David is on the way back? I have had a sneaking feeling he would for a while and I feel sure that Blair is doing a Mandelson on him.
Is he hoping that the threat will have Labour MPs rushing forward promising eternal support and good behaviour if only he would stay?

Perhaps he has realised that after all he might make more dosh back in the legal field. David v Boris at PMQs. Mmm where's a box of chocolates when you need them?

Come on Toots, it hasn't entered your head it's the right thing to do?  What ever comes next will be.
The right thing is expected from the government. Instead we get it from the opposition.

[Nick]

Having said that labour does need rescuing

Rescuing or putting down?

[Streetwalker]

So Starmer has vowed to resign if he is fined, and Angela Rainer plans to go too. Now I don't know of course but several things come to mind.

Does he realise that he hasn't a hope of dragging the Labour party across the House into Government as long as he lives?
Has he heard that Ed and David Milliband were canvassing together having kissed and made up as brothers do, and thinks David is on the way back? I have had a sneaking feeling he would for a while and I feel sure that Blair is doing a Mandelson on him.
Is he hoping that the threat will have Labour MPs rushing forward promising eternal support and good behaviour if only he would stay?

Perhaps he has realised that after all he might make more dosh back in the legal field. David v Boris at PMQs. Mmm where's a box of chocolates when you need them?

D Milliband is another loony tune from Labours past , the unions prefering to back the brother who couldn't even eat a bacon sandwich without making a mess of it . 
Having said that labour does need rescuing 

[T00ts]

So Starmer has vowed to resign if he is fined, and Angela Rainer plans to go too. Now I don't know of course but several things come to mind. 

Does he realise that he hasn't a hope of dragging the Labour party across the House into Government as long as he lives? 
Has he heard that Ed and David Milliband were canvassing together having kissed and made up as brothers do, and thinks David is on the way back? I have had a sneaking feeling he would for a while and I feel sure that Blair is doing a Mandelson on him.
Is he hoping that the threat will have Labour MPs rushing forward promising eternal support and good behaviour if only he would stay?

Perhaps he has realised that after all he might make more dosh back in the legal field. David v Boris at PMQs. Mmm where's a box of chocolates when you need them?